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Subject: Re: [sca-j] An appeal against TC Admin decision on Java package names
Anish Karmarkar wrote: > Simon, > > Thanks for laying out the events and the timelines. > One comment: reference [5] is missing a link. > This was only copied to the appellants and not to the sca-j list, so there's no OASIS link. Simon > -Anish > -- > > Simon Nash wrote: >> Dave, >> Here is a suggested reply to Eduardo's email. The first paragraph >> is written as from me. I'm happy to send this to Eduardo to maintain >> continuity from the original suspended appeal. I'm also happy for you >> to send it (with the first paragraph suitably reworded) if you prefer. >> >> To all individuals named on copy: Please send any comments. If you no >> longer wish to be part of this appeal, please let me and Dave know. >> >> To other sca-j TC members: If anyone else wishes to join this appeal, >> or if you have any comments, please let me and Dave know. >> >> Simon >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> To: Eduardo Gutentag >> cc: mbgl@us.ibm.com >> booz@us.ibm.com >> martin.chapman@oracle.com >> mcombellack@avaya.com >> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com >> jim.marino@gmail.com >> michael.rowley@activevos.com >> ashok.malhotra@oracle.com >> mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com >> aupperle@us.ibm.com >> psimha@tibco.com >> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >> tc-admin@oasis-open.org >> sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org >> >> Dave and I have spoken about whether or not this appeal should be >> considered as a new appeal or a continuation of the previous one >> that I initiated and agreed to suspend. We have also consulted the >> other appellants. It is the wish of the appellants that this appeal >> be treated as a continuation/resumption of the previous appeal. >> Apologies that our previous email was not clear about this. >> >> Accordingly I am copying this email to all the people who were part >> of the previous appeal, as well as three other people (Mike Edwards, >> Bryan Aupperle and Pradeep Simha) who wish to add their support for >> this appeal. Please advise whether or not it is possible for new >> appellants to be added to an appeal that is already in progress. >> >> You are correct that there is relevant history after April 24 which >> was inadvertently omitted from the previous email. To summarize, the >> interactions so far on the subject have been as follows: >> >> a) Agreement by OASIS TC Admin to use org.osoa as requested by the TC >> (ref. [1]). >> >> b) Objection by OASIS TC Admin to org.osoa on various grounds, one of >> which was that the osoa.org domain is not owned by OASIS. Decision >> by OASIS TC Admin to change from org.osoa to org.oasis_open (ref. >> [2]). >> >> c) Initiation of appeal against the decision to use org.oasis_open as >> the package name prefix (ref. [3]). >> >> d) Discussions between the appellants and OASIS TC Admin on alternative >> prefixes, including the issue of whether or not it is important for >> the domain to be owned by OASIS (ref. [4]). >> >> e) Agreement to suspend the appeal until completion of these discussions >> (ref. [5]). >> >> f) sca-j TC decision to support the use of the package prefix >> org.oasisopen, >> assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS (ref. >> [6]). >> >> g) OASIS TC Admin acknowledges this and passes it on to the OASIS IT >> department (ref. [7]). >> >> h) Decision from OASIS TC Admin to require the use of org.oasisopen >> without OASIS acquiring the oasisopen.org domain (ref. [8]). >> >> i) Note from Dave Booz reopening the appeal (ref. [9]). >> >> The appeal is reopened on the following grounds: >> >> Technical: >> >> 1. Contradictory OASIS TC Admin positions on the need for domain >> ownership >> between a) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject >> org.osoa, >> d) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject org.oasis, >> and h) >> in which lack of domain ownership was stated to not be an issue. A >> clear >> and consistent OASIS position on domain ownership that follows Java >> conventions and industry best practice is needed. >> >> 2. Using a package prefix without owning the corresponding domain does >> not >> follow Java conventions and industry best practice. Section 7.7 of >> the >> Java Language Specification says: "You form a unique package name >> by first >> having (or belonging to an organization that has) an Internet >> domain name, >> such as sun.com. You then reverse this name, component by component, >> to obtain, in this example, com.sun, and use this as a prefix for your >> package names, using a convention developed within your organization >> to further administer package names." >> >> Procedural: >> >> 3. The earlier appeal was suspended pending completion of discussions >> between OASIS TC Admin and the sca-j TC, but OASIS TC Admin did not >> complete those discussions. Instead OASIS TC Admin issued a new >> decision h) that they knew to be contrary to the TC's position as >> expressed in f), and did not engage in any consultation or discussion >> with the TC before issuing that decision. >> >> Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Michael Rowley Active Endpoints OASIS SCA BPEL TC Voting Member >> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >> >> [1] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html >> >> [2] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html >> >> [3] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html >> >> [4] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html >> >> [5] Simon Nash email to Eduardo Gutentag, 5/8/08 >> [6] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/28356/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202008-05-15.doc >> >> [7] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00043.html >> >> [8] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html >> >> [9] >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00096.html >> >> >> Eduardo Gutentag wrote: >>> To the SCA-J TC: >>> >>> In accordance with Section 4.2 of the TC Process Document >>> (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#appeals), >>> and before the deadline stipulated in that Section, I hereby >>> acknowledge receipt of the appeal included below, and I inform the >>> TC of such appeal. >>> >>> To the appellants: >>> >>> I must also express deep confusion, as the "detail" section of >>> the Procedural part of the appeal stops short (April 24) without >>> acknowledging the fact that there was a long thread after that date, >>> which included the initiation of a formal appeal (May 2) and its >>> subsequent suspension (may 8)[1]. Apart from the fact that this does >>> not meet in its entirety the requirement that "Previous efforts to >>> resolve the objection(s) and the outcome of each shall be noted.", >>> I am not clear as to the relationship between the current appeal and >>> the previous one. The previous one was suspended, not terminated, >>> so one could think of this as a request to restart it; however, >>> since the list of appellants in this case is not completely the same >>> as the list of appellants in the previous case, I am assuming, until >>> and unless I am told I am wrong, that this is a different appeal. >>> >>> I am enclosing a couple of relevant email messages, in whose cc >>> list many of the current appellants (but not all) were included. >>> >>> Please be aware that until such time as the appeal may be resolved >>> in favor of the appellants, the decisions taken by TC Administration >>> are valid and binding. >>> >>> [1] Because of the very short interval between initiation and >>> suspension, there was no opportunity for me at that time to inform >>> either the TC or the Board of such an appeal. >>> >>> >>> On 11/26/2008 06:50 AM, David Booz wrote: >>>> Please excuse the second email. There is a typo in the (Proposed >>>> Resolution) >>>> >>>> Any references to openoasis.org are incorrect and should be >>>> oasisopen.org. >>>> >>>> Sorry for any confusion. >>>> >>>> Dave Booz >>>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture >>>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC >>>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" >>>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 >>>> e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com >>>> ----- Forwarded by David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM on 11/26/2008 09:47 >>>> AM ----- >>>> >>>> >>>> From: David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM >>>> >>>> To: eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >>>> >>>> Cc: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org, >>>> tc-admin@oasis-open.org >>>> >>>> Date: 11/26/2008 08:10 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: Appealing TC Admin decision on Java package names >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >>>> the decision by TC Admin attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >>>> being submitted by >>>> individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC >>>> Process. >>>> In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal >>>> by a unanimous vote. >>>> >>>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >>>> >>>> TECHNICAL >>>> >>>> (Summary) >>>> >>>> The proposed package name prefix must be controlled by OASIS. >>>> >>>> (Detail) >>>> >>>> The decision comes in two parts. >>>> >>>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >>>> from >>>> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by >>>> OASIS. >>>> 2. The need for OASIS to be able to control the proposed package name >>>> prefix of "org.oasisopen". >>>> >>>> (Proposed Resolution) >>>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >>>> discussed this and voted [2] not to accept the proposed package name >>>> prefix of "org.oasisopen" if it is not controlled by OASIS. If >>>> OASIS is >>>> unable or unwilling to obtain the use of the "openoasis.org" domain, >>>> then the SCA-J TC would rather retain the use of the package name >>>> prefix >>>> "org.osoa". >>>> >>>> PROCEDURAL >>>> >>>> (Summary) >>>> >>>> Part 2 of the decision is a reversal of the earlier decision which >>>> occurred without consultation with the SCA-J TC. >>>> >>>> (Detail) >>>> >>>> This issue was raised with TC-Admin on March 2 (ref. [3]). TC-Admin >>>> sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[4]) On March 10 TC-Admin asked us to >>>> hold off from implementing the decision and said might be a couple of >>>> questions to be answered (ref. [5]). >>>> >>>> Simon Nash (chair at the time) replied to TC-Admin on March 10 (ref. >>>> [6]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to >>>> discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. TC-Admin did not respond. On >>>> March 25, Simon sent another email (ref. [7]) repeating my >>>> invitation to >>>> discuss this with the TC. Again, TC-Admin did not respond. >>>> >>>> On April 3 TC-Admin sent a response (ref. [8]) with a decision that >>>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >>>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite two >>>> invitations to have this discussion. TC-Admin also indicated that the >>>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could >>>> only be changed by formal appeal. >>>> >>>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >>>> stated above. >>>> >>>> On April 24 Simon sent TC-Admin an email informing her of this (ref. >>>> [9]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, >>>> and >>>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. TC-Admin >>>> acknowledged the email (ref. [10]) and indicate a reply in a few days. >>>> TC-Admin's formal response came on Nov 5 (ref. [1]). >>>> >>>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >>>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >>>> through dialogue, >>>> despite all efforts to do this. The acceptable resolutions are >>>> summarized in the (Proposed Resolution) above. >>>> >>>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >>>> >>>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>>> Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>>> Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>>> Member >>>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>>> Member >>>> Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>>> Member >>>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>>> Member >>>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>>> Member >>>> Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>>> Member >>>> Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>>> Member >>>> Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>>> Member >>>> >>>> REFERENCES >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html >>>> >>>> [2] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/30068/SCA%20Java%20Face%20to%20Face%20Minutes%202008-11-11%20to%202008-11-13.doc >>>> >>>> [3] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html >>>> >>>> [4] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html >>>> >>>> [5] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html >>>> >>>> [6] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html >>>> >>>> [7] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html >>>> >>>> [8] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html >>>> >>>> [9] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html >>>> >>>> [10] >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave Booz >>>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture >>>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC >>>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" >>>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 >>>> e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> From: >>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >>> Date: >>> Fri, 2 May 2008 17:58:05 +0100 >>> To: >>> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >>> >>> To: >>> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >>> CC: >>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, >>> mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com, >>> mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>> >>> >>> >>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by >>> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its >>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >>> >>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >>> >>> TECHNICAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >>> liked by Java developers. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> The decision comes in two parts. >>> >>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is >>> controlled by OASIS. >>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by >>> the SCA-J TC. >>> >>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >>> >>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >>> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in >>> package names is highly unusual and unconventional. >>> >>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. >>> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot >>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing >>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >>> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >>> >>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package >>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package >>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >>> >>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order >>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would >>> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC >>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix >>> to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that >>> OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently >>> available. >>> >>> PROCEDURAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier >>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite >>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off >>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]). >>> >>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS >>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J >>> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >>> did not respond. >>> >>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite >>> my two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that >>> the decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it >>> could only be changed by formal appeal. >>> >>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >>> stated above. >>> >>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), >>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us >>> in a few days. She has not done so. >>> >>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >>> >>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >>> >>> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >>> >>> >>> REFERENCES >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html >>> >>> [2] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html >>> >>> [3] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html >>> >>> [4] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html >>> >>> [5] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html >>> >>> [6] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html >>> >>> [7] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html >>> >>> [8] >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> / >>> / >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> From: >>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >>> Date: >>> Fri, 2 May 2008 20:12:27 +0100 >>> To: >>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> >>> To: >>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> CC: >>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >>> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, >>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, >>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary, >>> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the >>> domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix >>> org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would >>> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem >>> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other. >>> >>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently >>> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is >>> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In >>> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf >>> of the TC. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> >>> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >>> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> >>> >>> 02/05/2008 19:49 >>> Please respond to >>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> >>> >>> To >>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> >>> cc >>> <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, >>> <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, >>> <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, >>> <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> >>> Subject >>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been >>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and >>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike >>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use >>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all >>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit >>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be >>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. >>> org.oasisopen.csa. Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has >>> been part of this conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, >>> please acknowledge. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * >>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* >>> To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org* >>> Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; >>> mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; >>> mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* >>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by >>> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its >>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >>> >>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >>> >>> TECHNICAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >>> liked by Java developers. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> The decision comes in two parts. >>> >>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is >>> controlled by OASIS. >>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by >>> the SCA-J TC. >>> >>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >>> >>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >>> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in >>> package names is highly unusual and unconventional. >>> >>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. >>> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot >>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing >>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >>> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >>> >>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package >>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package >>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >>> >>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order >>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would >>> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC >>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix >>> to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that >>> OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently >>> available. >>> >>> PROCEDURAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier >>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite >>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off >>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]). >>> >>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS >>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J >>> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >>> did not respond. >>> >>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite >>> my two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that >>> the decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it >>> could only be changed by formal appeal. >>> >>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >>> stated above. >>> >>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), >>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us >>> in a few days. She has not done so. >>> >>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >>> >>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >>> >>> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >>> >>> >>> REFERENCES >>> >>> [1] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ >>> >>> [2] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ >>> >>> [3] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ >>> >>> [4] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ >>> >>> [5] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ >>> >>> [6] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ >>> >>> [7] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ >>> >>> [8] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ >>> >>> >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> / >>> / >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> From: >>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >>> Date: >>> Mon, 5 May 2008 22:02:15 +0100 >>> To: >>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> >>> To: >>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> CC: >>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >>> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, >>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, >>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary, >>> Thanks for the clarification. I understand the distinction and I >>> will put this on the agenda for this week's SCA-J TC call. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> >>> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >>> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> >>> >>> 03/05/2008 17:27 >>> Please respond to >>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> >>> >>> To >>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB >>> cc >>> <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>, >>> <booz@us.ibm.com>, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>, >>> <jmarino@bea.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "'Mary McRae'" >>> <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, >>> <mrowley@bea.com> >>> Subject >>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes – oasisopen.org appears to be owned by someone just sitting on >>> the domain – if it’s agreeable we can look into what it would take to >>> purchase it if that’s absolutely required. Conversely, oasis.org is a >>> live site – a gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * >>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM* >>> To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* >>> Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; >>> booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; >>> martin.chapman@oracle.com; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com; >>> mcombellack@avaya.com; mrowley@bea.com* >>> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> Mary, >>> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the >>> domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix >>> org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would >>> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem >>> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other. >>> >>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently >>> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is >>> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In >>> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf >>> of the TC. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >>> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> >>> >>> 02/05/2008 19:49 >>> >>> >>> Please respond to >>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> >>> >>> To >>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> >>> cc >>> <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, >>> <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, >>> <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, >>> <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> >>> Subject >>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been >>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and >>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike >>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use >>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all >>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit >>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be >>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. >>> org.oasisopen.csa. Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has >>> been part of this conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, >>> please acknowledge. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mary >>> * >>> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * >>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* >>> To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org* >>> Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; >>> mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; >>> mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* >>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by >>> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its >>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >>> >>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >>> >>> TECHNICAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >>> liked by Java developers. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> The decision comes in two parts. >>> >>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is >>> controlled by OASIS. >>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by >>> the SCA-J TC. >>> >>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >>> >>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >>> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in >>> package names is highly unusual and unconventional. >>> >>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. >>> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot >>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing >>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >>> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >>> >>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package >>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package >>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >>> >>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order >>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would >>> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC >>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix >>> to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that >>> OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently >>> available. >>> >>> PROCEDURAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier >>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite >>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off >>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]). >>> >>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS >>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J >>> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >>> did not respond. >>> >>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite >>> my two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that >>> the decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it >>> could only be changed by formal appeal. >>> >>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >>> stated above. >>> >>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), >>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us >>> in a few days. She has not done so. >>> >>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >>> >>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >>> >>> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >>> >>> >>> REFERENCES >>> >>> [1] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ >>> >>> [2] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ >>> >>> [3] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ >>> >>> [4] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ >>> >>> [5] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ >>> >>> [6] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ >>> >>> [7] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ >>> >>> [8] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ >>> >>> >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> / >>> / >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> From: >>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >>> Date: >>> Thu, 8 May 2008 12:14:31 +0100 >>> To: >>> Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> >>> >>> To: >>> Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> >>> CC: >>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >>> booz@us.ibm.com, jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, >>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, >>> mrowley@bea.com >>> >>> >>> >>> The appellants would like this appeal to be put into abeyance until >>> the current round of discussions on this subject has completed. >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> >>> *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* >>> >>> 06/05/2008 15:42 >>> >>> To >>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB >>> cc >>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >>> booz@us.ibm.com, jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, >>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, >>> mrowley@bea.com >>> Subject >>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It is in abeyance (that is, suspended) until one of three things >>> happen: >>> >>> a) the appellants withdraw their appeal, in which case it just goes >>> away >>> >>> b) the appellants re-instate their appeal, in which case the clock >>> starts ticking again >>> >>> c) the appellants change their original appeal into something else, >>> in which case the clock is reset to 00:00 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05/06/2008 06:37 AM, Simon Nash wrote: >>> > >>> > Eduardo, >>> > A new proposal has been made by Mary and this is now under >>> discussion by >>> > the SCA-J TC. Please can you confirm where we now stand regarding >>> the >>> > 30-day limit for appeals. Does the new thread of discussion >>> nullify the >>> > previous 30-day deadline and reset the 30-day clock? If it does, >>> then I >>> > would be OK with putting the appeal into abeyance until the current >>> > discussion thread has concluded. >>> > >>> > Simon >>> > >>> > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> > >>> > >>> > *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* >>> > >>> > 05/05/2008 22:17 >>> > >>> > > To >>> > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB >>> > cc >>> > mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, >>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, >>> > mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com, >>> > mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>> > Subject >>> > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package >>> names >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I hereby acknowledge receipt of this appeal. >>> > >>> > However, given what appears to be an active thread of >>> > negotiating messages back and forth between the appellants >>> > and OASIS TC Administration, I need to know whether the >>> > appeal still stands as is, or whether it should be put in >>> > abeyance until further notice one way or another from the >>> > appellants. >>> > >>> > I will proceed no further until I receive a clear message >>> > from the appellants specifying that the appeal stands exactly >>> > as originally sent. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 05/02/2008 09:58 AM, Simon Nash wrote: >>> > > >>> > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to >>> appeal >>> > > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This >>> appeal is >>> > > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as >>> required by >>> > > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to >>> add its >>> > > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >>> > > >>> > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >>> > > >>> > > TECHNICAL >>> > > >>> > > (Summary) >>> > > >>> > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal >>> Java naming >>> > > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >>> liked by >>> > > Java developers. >>> > > >>> > > (Detail) >>> > > >>> > > The decision comes in two parts. >>> > > >>> > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name >>> prefix from >>> > > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is >>> controlled by >>> > OASIS. >>> > > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be >>> used by >>> > > the SCA-J TC. >>> > > >>> > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The >>> SCA-J TC >>> > > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package >>> name prefix >>> > > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >>> > > >>> > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal >>> Java >>> > > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in >>> package >>> > > names is highly unusual and unconventional. >>> > > >>> > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to >>> type. >>> > > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say >>> "org dot >>> > > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When >>> typing these >>> > > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >>> entered. Both >>> > > of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >>> > > >>> > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package >>> name >>> > > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, >>> package >>> > > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA >>> package names >>> > > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >>> > > >>> > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >>> > > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >>> Edition, >>> > > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to >>> produce >>> > > an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need >>> to be >>> > > derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some >>> > > options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS >>> as being >>> > > suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS >>> acquires the >>> > > corresponding domain name, which is currently available. >>> > > >>> > > PROCEDURAL >>> > > >>> > > (Summary) >>> > > >>> > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the >>> earlier >>> > > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC >>> despite >>> > > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >>> > > >>> > > (Detail) >>> > > >>> > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >>> > > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold >>> off from >>> > > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >>> questions to >>> > > be answered (ref. [4]). >>> > > >>> > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other >>> OASIS >>> > > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the >>> SCA-J TC. >>> > > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >>> [6]) >>> > > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, >>> she did not >>> > > respond. >>> > > >>> > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >>> > > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >>> > > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, >>> despite my >>> > > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated >>> that the >>> > > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it >>> could >>> > > only be changed by formal appeal. >>> > > >>> > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >>> > > stated above. >>> > > >>> > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. >>> [7]), with >>> > > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >>> asking if >>> > > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >>> acknowledged the >>> > > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few >>> days. She >>> > > has not done so. >>> > > >>> > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and >>> the TC >>> > > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable >>> resolution >>> > > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >>> > > >>> > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal >>> appeal. >>> > > >>> > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> > > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> > > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> > > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> > > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> > > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC >>> Voting Member >>> > > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting >>> Member >>> > > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC >>> Voting Member >>> > > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > REFERENCES >>> > > >>> > > [1] >>> > > >>> > >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > [2] >>> > > >>> > < >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > [3] >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > [4] >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > [5] >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > [6] >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > [7] >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > [8] >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> > > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> > > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > > >>> > > / >>> > > / >>> > > >>> > > /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> > > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales >>> with number >>> > > 741598. >>> > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> > PO6 3AU/ >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Eduardo Gutentag >>> > OASIS President >>> > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >>> > +1 510-550-4616 >>> > >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > / >>> > / >>> > >>> > /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number >>> > 741598. >>> > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Eduardo Gutentag >>> OASIS President >>> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org >>> +1 510-550-4616 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> / >>> / >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> From: >>> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> >>> Date: >>> Tue, 20 May 2008 14:41:45 +0100 >>> To: >>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>> >>> To: >>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>> CC: >>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >>> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, >>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, >>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary, >>> My apologies for the delay in getting back to you. The sca-j TC >>> discussed this at our last meeting and passed the following motion: >>> >>> "The sca-j TC supports the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen, >>> assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS." >>> >>> If this is acceptable to OASIS, please can you contact the current >>> owner of oasisopen.org and come back to us when you know whether it >>> is possible to agree terms for OASIS to acquire this domain. >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> >>> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >>> Sent by: marypmcrae@gmail.com >>> >>> 20/05/2008 14:11 >>> Please respond to >>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>> >>> >>> To >>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB >>> cc >>> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, >>> booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, >>> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, >>> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com >>> Subject >>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Simon, >>> >>> Any update on this issue? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mary McRae >>> <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> wrote: >>> Yes – _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> appears to be owned by >>> someone just sitting on the domain – if it's agreeable we can look >>> into what it would take to purchase it if that's absolutely required. >>> Conversely, _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/> is a live site – a >>> gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:_NASH@uk.ibm.com_ <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] * >>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM* >>> To:* _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >>> Cc:* _Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ >>> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; _ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ >>> <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; _booz@us.ibm.com_ >>> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; _eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ >>> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>; _jmarino@bea.com_ >>> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; _martin.chapman@oracle.com_ >>> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; Mary McRae; _mbgl@us.ibm.com_ >>> <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; _mcombellack@avaya.com_ >>> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; _mrowley@bea.com_ >>> <mailto:mrowley@bea.com> >>> >>> * >>> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary, >>> The domain _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> is already owned >>> by someone else, as is the domain _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/>. >>> If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not >>> having ownership of _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/>, would >>> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem >>> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other. >>> >>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the _oasisj.org_ >>> <http://oasisj.org/> domain is currently unowned and therefore >>> available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is not a constraint, my >>> personal preference would be org.oasis. In expressing this >>> preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> *"Mary McRae" <**_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_* >>> <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*>* >>> Sent by: Mary McRae <_marypmcrae@gmail.com_ >>> <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>> >>> >>> 02/05/2008 19:49 >>> >>> >>> Please respond to >>> <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> >>> >>> >>> To >>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <_eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ >>> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>> >>> cc >>> <_mbgl@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>>, <_booz@us.ibm.com_ >>> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>>, <_martin.chapman@oracle.com_ >>> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>>, <_mcombellack@avaya.com_ >>> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>>, <_Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ >>> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>>, <_jmarino@bea.com_ >>> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>>, <_mrowley@bea.com_ >>> <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>>, <_ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ >>> <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>> >>> Subject >>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been >>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and >>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike >>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use >>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all >>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit >>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be >>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. >>> org.oasisopen.csa. Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has >>> been part of this conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, >>> please acknowledge. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mary >>> * >>> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:_NASH@uk.ibm.com_ <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] * >>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* >>> To:* _eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ >>> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* >>> Cc:* _mbgl@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; _booz@us.ibm.com_ >>> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; _martin.chapman@oracle.com_ >>> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; _mcombellack@avaya.com_ >>> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; _Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ >>> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; _jmarino@bea.com_ >>> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; _mrowley@bea.com_ <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>; >>> _ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; >>> _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* >>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names >>> >>> >>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal >>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is >>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by >>> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its >>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. >>> >>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. >>> >>> TECHNICAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be >>> liked by Java developers. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> The decision comes in two parts. >>> >>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix >>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is >>> controlled by OASIS. >>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by >>> the SCA-J TC. >>> >>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC >>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name >>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: >>> >>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java >>> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in >>> package names is highly unusual and unconventional. >>> >>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. >>> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot >>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing >>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be >>> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. >>> >>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name >>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package >>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package >>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. >>> >>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the >>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third >>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "_oasis-open.org_ >>> <http://oasis-open.org/>" domain name. In order to produce an >>> acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be >>> derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some >>> options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as >>> being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS >>> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available. >>> >>> PROCEDURAL >>> >>> (Summary) >>> >>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier >>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite >>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. >>> >>> (Detail) >>> >>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a >>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off >>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of >>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]). >>> >>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS >>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J >>> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. >>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she >>> did not respond. >>> >>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that >>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no >>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite >>> my two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that >>> the decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it >>> could only be changed by formal appeal. >>> >>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons >>> stated above. >>> >>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), >>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and >>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She >>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us >>> in a few days. She has not done so. >>> >>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC >>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution >>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. >>> >>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. >>> >>> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair >>> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member >>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member >>> >>> >>> REFERENCES >>> >>> [1] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ >>> >>> [2] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ >>> >>> [3] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ >>> >>> [4] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ >>> >>> [5] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ >>> >>> [6] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ >>> >>> [7] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ >>> >>> [8] >>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ >>> >>> >>> >>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer >>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology >>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary P McRae >>> Manager of TC Administration, OASIS_ >>> __mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> voip: 603.232.9090 >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> / >>> / >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>> generates this mail. 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