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Subject: RE: [security-jc] TCs joining JC - was: Meeting tomorrow
I think we should be more deliberate in how we invite TCs to join the JC. My
expectation was that this would only apply to security related TCs. Note
that the new Oasis rules are a bit more "onerous" with regard to the
operation of JCs. In particular, if a member TC decides to drop out of the
JC - then the JC is disbanded. A new JC can be created with a similar
charter, but it will need to go through the startup phase again.
From section 1. (o) TC Coordination
"If a still-existing TC in breach of its obligation to contribute to a JC
fails to appoint a liaison subcommittee within the time stated, then all
activities and mailing lists of that JC shall cease until its successor, if
any, can be organized according to the provisions for starting a JC. "
Also from section 1. (o) in defining the admission of a TC to a JC:
"A TC shall be added to or removed from the set of TCs contributing to a JC
only upon joint resolution of all of the participating TCs."
Joe Pato Hewlett Packard Labs
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-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Griffin [mailto:phil.griffin@asn-1.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:58 PM
To: Hal Lockhart
Cc: Security Joint Committee
Subject: Re: [security-jc] Meeting tomorrow
Hal,
My reading of your statement below is that some TCs
may simply declare SJC membership. But the proposed
letter on the agenda describes a different process.
I somehow had the understanding that this process
would apply to all OASIS TCs.
We should discuss how to make joining as simple and
efficient as possible. It struck me that some TC may
eventually wish to no longer be SJC members, or that
a TC may wish to merely observe and not be counted
as part of any quorum. If we are voting by majority,
such changes of membership status may matter, even
though the votes are not binding.
I've added the following to an updated agenda which is
attached:
7. Pending outcome of (6), discuss proposed invitation
to TCs to send representatives to SJC and related
process issues:
- Process for a security TC becoming a member
- Classes of membership; voting and observer
- Leaving the SJC
Please circulate the agenda to folks with an interest
that may not yet be subscribed to the SJC list.
Phil
Hal Lockhart wrote:
> Let me be more explict.
>
> The original idea was the JC would coordinate between the "security
> related" TCs. It was always agreed that the WSS would join as soon as
> they formed and they have and in my mind are "first class" citizens.
>
> Now we are throwing it open to "security interested" TCs. We originally
> decided, after some debate, that we would have one vote per TC. The
> question is if the new group should be observers or members. That is,
> should they be able to vote. Given that nothing we do is binding on any
> TC, this may not matter, but in theory, the "security related" TCs could
> find themselves out voted!
>
> I don't feel strongly either way, but I think we should explicitly decide.
>
> Hal
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Griffin [mailto:phil.griffin@asn-1.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:46 PM
> > To: Hal Lockhart
> > Cc: Security Joint Committee
> > Subject: Re: [security-jc] Meeting tomorrow
> >
> >
> > As to the vote, it was my understanding
> > that each member TC would get one vote.
> >
> > See the proposed letter in the agenda for
> > tomorrow:
> >
> > OASIS TC Chairs:
> >
> > The OASIS Security Joint Committee (SJC) was formed last
> > spring for the purpose of coordinating the technical
> > activities of the various security-related TCs at OASIS.
> > The TCs who are currently members of the JC are:
> > - OASIS Access Control (XACML) TC
> > - OASIS Commmon Biometric Format (XCBF) TC
> > - OASIS Provisioning Services TC
> > - OASIS Rights Language TC
> > - OASIS Security Services (SAML) TC
> >
> > The intent of the SJC has been to invite other OASIS TCs
> > whose work is related to security to join the SJC once the
> > SJC gets organized; we now feel that we are ready to extend
> > this invitation.
> >
> > In accordance with the OASIS TC Process, any OASIS TC who
> > would like to join the SJC may do so by selecting members of
> > the TC to form a liaison subcommittee of the TC, who will then
> > represent the TC in the SJC. The TC chair should notify me,
> > the SJC chair, of the names of the people who will represent
> > the TC. I will then issue an invitation to those people to
> > attend the next SJC meeting.
> >
> > Feel free to contact me for more information about the SJC,
> > or see our web page at
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/security-jc/
> >
> > (signed and sent by Phil as the SJC chair)
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > Hal Lockhart wrote:
> >
> > > The Web Services Security TC has also joined and designated
> > Chris Kaler,
> > > Kelvin Lawrence and Phill Hallam-Baker as representatives.
> > >
> > > 1. The invitation to additional members should reflect this.
> > >
> > > 2. Have they been informed of the time and phone # for this call?
> > >
> > >
> > > A different issue:
> > >
> > > Should other TCs that join get a vote?
> > >
> > > Hal
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Phil Griffin [mailto:phil.griffin@asn-1.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:14 PM
> > > > To: Security Joint Committee
> > > > Subject: [security-jc] Meeting tomorrow
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HP will be our host:
> > > >
> > > > Time: 12 Noon EDT
> > > > Phone: 404-774-4109
> > > > Meeting ID: 9376
> > > >
> > > > The proposed agenda is attached.
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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