Re: [security-jc] Meeting tomorrow

[Phil Griffin <phil.griffin@asn-1.com>]

Hal,

My reading of your statement below is that some TCs
may simply declare SJC membership. But the proposed
letter on the agenda describes a different process.
I somehow had the understanding that this process
would apply to all OASIS TCs.

We should discuss how to make joining as simple and
efficient as possible. It struck me that some TC may
eventually wish to no longer be SJC members, or that
a TC may wish to merely observe and not be counted
as part of any quorum. If we are voting by majority,
such changes of membership status may matter, even
though the votes are not binding.

I've added the following to an updated agenda which is
attached:

7. Pending outcome of (6), discuss proposed invitation
    to TCs to send representatives to SJC and related
    process issues:

    - Process for a security TC becoming a member
    - Classes of membership; voting and observer
    - Leaving the SJC

Please circulate the agenda to folks with an interest
that may not yet be subscribed to the SJC list.

Phil



Hal Lockhart wrote:

> Let me be more explict.
> 
> The original idea was the JC would coordinate between the "security 
> related" TCs. It was always agreed that the WSS would join as soon as 
> they formed and they have and in my mind are "first class" citizens.
> 
> Now we are throwing it open to "security interested" TCs. We originally 
> decided, after some debate, that we would have one vote per TC. The 
> question is if the new group should be observers or members. That is, 
> should they be able to vote. Given that nothing we do is binding on any 
> TC, this may not matter, but in theory, the "security related" TCs could 
> find themselves out voted!
> 
> I don't feel strongly either way, but I think we should explicitly decide.
> 
> Hal
> 
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Phil Griffin [mailto:phil.griffin@asn-1.com]
>  > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:46 PM
>  > To: Hal Lockhart
>  > Cc: Security Joint Committee
>  > Subject: Re: [security-jc] Meeting tomorrow
>  >
>  >
>  > As to the vote, it was my understanding
>  > that each member TC would get one vote.
>  >
>  > See the proposed letter in the agenda for
>  > tomorrow:
>  >
>  >   OASIS TC Chairs:
>  >
>  >     The OASIS Security Joint Committee (SJC) was formed last
>  >     spring for the purpose of coordinating the technical
>  >     activities of the various security-related TCs at OASIS.
>  >     The TCs who are currently members of the JC are:
>  >        - OASIS Access Control (XACML) TC
>  >        - OASIS Commmon Biometric Format (XCBF) TC
>  >        - OASIS Provisioning Services TC
>  >        - OASIS Rights Language TC
>  >        - OASIS Security Services (SAML) TC
>  >
>  >     The intent of the SJC has been to invite other OASIS TCs
>  >     whose work is related to security to join the SJC once the
>  >     SJC gets organized; we now feel that we are ready to extend
>  >     this invitation.
>  >
>  >     In accordance with the OASIS TC Process, any OASIS TC who
>  >     would like to join the SJC may do so by selecting members of
>  >     the TC to form a liaison subcommittee of the TC, who will then
>  >     represent the TC in the SJC. The TC chair should notify me,
>  >     the SJC chair, of the names of the people who will represent
>  >     the TC. I will then issue an invitation to those people to
>  >     attend the next SJC meeting.
>  >
>  >     Feel free to contact me for more information about the SJC,
>  >     or see our web page at
>  >     http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/security-jc/
>  >
>  >     (signed and sent by Phil as the SJC chair)
>  >
>  > Phil
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Hal Lockhart wrote:
>  >
>  > > The Web Services Security TC has also joined and designated
>  > Chris Kaler,
>  > > Kelvin Lawrence and Phill Hallam-Baker as representatives.
>  > >
>  > > 1. The invitation to additional members should reflect this.
>  > >
>  > > 2. Have they been informed of the time and phone # for this call?
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > A different issue:
>  > >
>  > > Should other TCs that join get a vote?
>  > >
>  > > Hal
>  > >
>  > >  > -----Original Message-----
>  > >  > From: Phil Griffin [mailto:phil.griffin@asn-1.com]
>  > >  > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:14 PM
>  > >  > To: Security Joint Committee
>  > >  > Subject: [security-jc] Meeting tomorrow
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  > HP will be our host:
>  > >  >
>  > >  >     Time: 12 Noon EDT
>  > >  >     Phone: 404-774-4109
>  > >  >     Meeting ID: 9376
>  > >  >
>  > >  > The proposed agenda is attached.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Phil
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >
>  >
>  >
> 

Proposed Agenda for September 19, 2002 SJC Meeting

1. Call meeting to order

2. Introductions

3. Ask Darran to please take meeting minutes

4. Approve proposed agenda

5. TC Process changes.
   The OASIS Board has just approved a
   revision to the OASIS TC Process.

6. Voting results on proposed SJC charter

7. Pending outcome of (6), discuss proposed invitation
   to TCs to send representatives to SJC and related
   process issues:

   - Process for a security TC becoming a member
   - Classes of membership; voting and observer
   - Leaving the SJC

   Here's a draft invitation that could be sent to the 
   chairs of other OASIS TCs to invite them to join the 
   SJC proposed earlier by Karl:

   -------------
   OASIS TC Chairs:

   The OASIS Security Joint Committee (SJC) was formed last 
   spring for the purpose of coordinating the technical 
   activities of the various security-related TCs at OASIS. 
   The TCs who are currently members of the JC are:
      - OASIS Access Control (XACML) TC
      - OASIS Commmon Biometric Format (XCBF) TC
      - OASIS Provisioning Services TC
      - OASIS Rights Language TC
      - OASIS Security Services (SAML) TC

   The intent of the SJC has been to invite other OASIS TCs 
   whose work is related to security to join the SJC once the
   SJC gets organized; we now feel that we are ready to extend
   this invitation.

   In accordance with the OASIS TC Process, any OASIS TC who 
   would like to join the SJC may do so by selecting members of 
   the TC to form a liaison subcommittee of the TC, who will then
   represent the TC in the SJC. The TC chair should notify me, 
   the SJC chair, of the names of the people who will represent 
   the TC. I will then issue an invitation to those people to 
   attend the next SJC meeting.

   Feel free to contact me for more information about the SJC,
   or see our web page at 
   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/security-jc/

   (signed and sent by Phil as the SJC chair)

8. TAB meeting update

   - Invitation to OASIS TAB for a permanent liaison to SJC
   - Relay context of the meeting with respect to coordination
     or coordination by the SJC

9. Other business

10. Adjourn