Re: [soa-rm-ra] random question

[Michael Stiefel <development@reliablesoftware.com>]

The problem is that if you draw the line on stakeholders too narrowly, you 
may fail to understand the ramifications of your SOA.

In any concrete architecture, your analysis will tell you how broadly or 
narrowly you have to define your stakeholders. In a reference architecture, 
however, you have to define the concept of stakeholders correctly.

To pick a clear example, for many years environmental damage in the United 
States was ignored because it was an "economic externality". If SOA has the 
potential that many of us think it does, we cannot afford to have "real 
world effect" externalities.

Michael

At 01:42 AM 8/24/2006, Danny Thornton wrote:
>I tend to agree with Ken that the stakeholders in the
>SOA sense will be those things not to distantly
>related to the service consumer/provider.  If we
>continued on with the analogy that the manufacturers
>of equipment (like the computers the services run on)
>are stakeholders then the conclusion would be
>everything in the universe is a stakeholder.
>
>As another example of "Is the government that collects
>a tax or regulates a stakeholder?" -
>Are a group of policy deciders considered stakeholders
>in the SOA and is it legitimate to consider the policy
>deciders as policy providers even though they
>themselves may never interact with a SOA service?  I
>would consider SOA Policy deciders as stakeholders
>that provide SOA policy and the Policy deciders are
>not accessed through a service.
>
>Danny
>
>--- Ken Laskey <klaskey@mitre.org> wrote:
>
> > Michael,
> >
> > My question is whether there are providers in the
> > SOA sense for
> > something other than services.  For example, one
> > could say there are
> > data providers but wouldn't they have their data
> > sources accessed
> > using services?  Does that apply to all providing
> > stakeholders?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Aug 23, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Michael Stiefel wrote:
> >
> > > Aren't users of the services stakeholders?
> > >
> > > Aren't manufacturers of equipment stakeholders?
> > >
> > > Is the government that collects a tax or regulates
> > a stakeholder?
> > >
> > > Aren't the "victims" we discussed at the F2F
> > stakeholders as well?
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:57 PM 8/23/2006, Ken Laskey wrote:
> > >> Can we have stakeholders who are providers or
> > maintainers of
> > >> something other than services?  Or, do we assume
> > by the nature of
> > >> SOA that if you provide something other than a
> > service, that
> > >> something is a capability that must have a
> > service access, so you
> > >> always end up a service provider?
> > >>
> > >> Ken
> > >>
> > >>
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