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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization
I added my comments to Bob's governance document. I haven't been keeping up with the sections on governance and management for the past several months. The document has come a long way since the last time I reviewed governance and management. Danny --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Ellinger, Robert S (IS) <robert.ellinger@ngc.com> wrote: > From: Ellinger, Robert S (IS) <robert.ellinger@ngc.com> > Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization > To: "James Odell" <email@jamesodell.com>, soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 10:29 AM > Please take a look at the following reorganization. > I started with the sections in red as reorganized in the > Revised outline > (attached). > Then I commenced a complete edit/restructuring of those > sections. I > couldn't help myself and did some wordsmithing, > hopefully for > readability. I do not intend for the result to be THE > finished product, > but I hope it communicates more clearly with the > uninitiated reader. > Additionally, again I couldn't help myself, I reduced > the number of > headings substantially--Sorry Ken. > > Bob > > I hope we can talk about it on Wednesday. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Odell [mailto:email@jamesodell.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:39 PM > To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] SOA-RA(F) reorganization > > Rex, > > Yes, I agree. A section for Policies outside Contract -- > in addition to > the leaving a Policies and Contracts -- makes good sense > to me. > > Ciao, > Jim > > On 4/11/09 7:41 PM, "Rex Brooks" indited: > > > Than ks Jim, > > > > I agree about Policies pertaining to more than just > contracts. I think > > > our focus on crossing organizational boundaries tends > to make us think > > > along those lines more than we would if we were more > focused within an > > > enterprise boundary. Role policies, for instance, are > more routine > > within an enterprise, and rules for what happens when > events are > > reported are often more prescribed. > > > > I'd just add a section for Policies outside > Contract context. > > > > Cheers, > > Rex > > > > At 5:46 PM -0400 4/11/09, James Odell wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> After yet another reading of the SOA-RA > (Foundation?) and having sat > >> through the recent spate of meetings, I have the > following say about > >> the reorganization of the SOA-RA: > >> > >> Overall, I think that the chapters and topics are > sequenced in a > >> coherent and logical manner. Perhaps, it is > because I read it too > >> many times now. But, I don't think so. > >> Also, I understand the need to minimize the amount > of work needed on > >> the SOA-RA at this point in its development. We > need to get it > >> released for public comment - without compromising > quality and > >> understandability, of course. > >> Having said this, the only thing that bothers me > enough to suggest a > >> reorganizational change is the area of Policies: > >> > >> 1) Policies, in general, are depicted in document > far earlier than > >> they are finally addressed (by 40-50 pages). > Since policies - IMO - > >> are an important ingredient in the SOA-RA, I would > like to see them > >> addressed earlier. (My personal opinion is that > policies are not > >> mentioned anywhere near the amount that they > should. For example, > >> they are used in events, composition of services, > roles, and > >> organizations. However, since this would involve > additions to the > >> current document, I will not push this) > >> > >> 2) I strongly dislike grouping the entire topic > with contracts. > >> While policies are used for contracts, Policy is a > standalone concept > > >> - which neither depends on nor is used solely with > Contract. > >> (Even the OMG and W3C treat policies as a separate > notion.) Why is > >> this reasonable? Because policies are used in a > variety of > >> situations - only one of which is contracts. By > placing Policies in > >> lock step with (and almost subordinate to) with > Contracts is not > >> appropriate, IMO. > >> > >> 3) My suggestion: separate Policies and Contracts > into two distinct > >> subsections (e.g., 4.4 and 4.5). > >> > >> In short, this would provide clarity for the > notion of Policy and not > > >> require much change to the current document. > >> > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> Jim > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the > OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in > OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the > OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in > OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
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