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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] A comment on ecosystems
What I was trying to articulate was that what may happen may not be `captured' as a composition of services. This is a real screwdrivers to screws conceptualization. On May 7, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Lublinsky, Boris wrote: > Gets, > Wasn't composability always a holy Grail of SOA? The definition was > always, that you implement services, representing basic functionality, > that are fairly stable and then use orchestrations (BPM) to implement > solutions that are based on these services in a ways, that were not > necessarily envisioned by service creators. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:51 PM > To: Francis McCabe > Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org RA > Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] A comment on ecosystems > > Frank, > > I believe we all agree on this, but I think you put it very well. Our > discussions have always pushed in the direction of the "appropriate" > unexpected -- here, I'm differentiating from repurposing for malice or > illegal profit. Is there any place where we have limited ourselves? > > Ken > > P.S. I had a productive discussion with our TOG friends this morning, > and I'd like to pass this along to them. It also shows a repurposing > of something that isn't necessarily within your enterprise. > > On May 7, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Francis McCabe wrote: > >> I mentioned that I had been thinking about ecosystems lately, and >> this image captures an aspect of this nicely: >> <07moth-prac.jpg> >> >> >> The point here is that the icon for wifi has be repurposed in a way >> that is both unexpected and obvious at the same time. >> >> The idea that somehow we can build an ecosystem where the only thing >> that is going on is new services being added -- each of which is >> neatly described etc. -- is naive. In a true ecosystem, the >> different players build on each other in unexpected and non- >> foreseable ways. >> >> Another example of this is Google. Google uses the web HTTP/HTML to >> deliver its services. But its role in the web ecosystem is not >> captured by HTTP/HTML. If you view its wordsense/advertising >> functions as one of its most influential 'services', the full impact >> of this is not felt by the delivery means. >> >> If you think about what will happen with the next 'big thing'; you >> can be reasonably sure that (a) it will build on the success of >> services like Google and (b) that it will do so in a way that is not >> currently predictable (otherwise we would all be driving better >> cars). >> >> I can see a scenario where the next big thing in SOA will layer over >> services, will use services and SOA concepts, but is not containable >> by SOA concepts such as description and interaction. >> >> Do not know what this means for the RA, except that I have a strong >> feeling that we have been limiting ourselves too much. >> >> Frank > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----- > Ken Laskey > MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 > 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 > McLean VA 22102-7508 > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > > > The information contained in this communication may be CONFIDENTIAL > and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, > or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify the sender and > delete/destroy the original message and any copy of it from your > computer or paper files.
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