Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram

[Danny Thornton <danny_thornton2@yahoo.com>]

There is a future/past relationship around Real World Effect that is ambiguous but the intention is to show that predicted real world effect determines willingness.

Danny

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Francis McCabe <frankmccabe@mac.com> wrote:

> From: Francis McCabe <frankmccabe@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram
> To: "Danny Thornton" <danny_thornton2@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org" <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:11 PM
> Danny
>  Your diagram seems to show that RWE determines
> willingness. You surely do not mean that?
> Frank
> On May 13, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Danny Thornton wrote:
> 
> > Making a decision based on a belief that is
> contradicted by evidence means a set of rules exist that are
> higher priority than the attempt to create new rules based
> on evidence.  In either case there is a rule base
> (willingness) for the decision making process.
> > 
> > In the opposite case, as in the con man, rules may
> override preexisting rules based on evidence, even if the
> evidence is false.
> > 
> > Trust does not have to be based on an action but is
> based on some expected real world effect.  Ken has
> stated this observation a couple of times.  A computing
> system may calculate that the resources required to prevent
> negative consequences outweighs the negative consequences.
> The negative consequences may be due to actions or
> inaction.
> > 
> > I've attached an updated version of Frank's diagram
> with these views.  I specifically did not give State
> the name of Shared State and I specifically did not connect
> State to Real World Effect (Duane's con man example and also
> the case of insanity).
> > 
> > Danny
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram
> >> To: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>,
> "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
> >> Cc: "Francis McCabe" <frankmccabe@mac.com>,
> "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org"
> <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 2:31 PM
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I agree with Ken (especially the
> >> part about not trusting Bettina to pick out a good
> action
> >> movie).  I think that “evidence” is
> really
> >> “beliefs” or similar.  Many people see
> >> evidence to the contrary but still believe their
> original
> >> notions.  For example, your see evidence
> that
> >> contradicts your deep rooted beliefs.  Most
> people
> >> still like to cling to their belief system.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> D
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 5/13/09 2:00 PM, "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>
> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I do not
> >> trust her to go to the video
> >> 
> >> store and pick out a good action adventure movie.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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