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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: [soa-rm-ra]positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
Am in strong agreement with this distinction, as well. I have made the difference between "business service' and "IT service" -- keeping the dichotomy clear. But, I can compromise on "business service' and "SOA service". -Jim On 9/24/09 1:10 AM, "Rex Brooks" indited: > My task was to get the work rolling. I have minor quibbles with correct > English grammar in Boris's additions, and I agree with Jeff that the > distinction between "business service' and "SOA service" needs to be > made. In general I think simpler is better, but as long as the grammar > is corrected, I'd be fine with Boris's additions. I don't have any > problems with Bob's minor rewording, but i don't see why he dropped > Boris's additions.. > > I'll look at it again in the morning. > > Cheers, > Rex > > Lublinsky, Boris wrote: >> You through away all changes that were suggested after this initial one? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ellinger, Robert S (IS) [mailto:robert.ellinger@ngc.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:41 PM >> To: rexb@starbourne.com >> Cc: Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: >> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business] >> >> I'd recommend some minor rewording... >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:16 PM >> To: rexb@starbourne.com >> Cc: Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: >> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business] >> >> First pass at the Section 1.2 as an additional paragraph after the first >> paragraph. I include the first paragraph and the start of the current >> second paragraph here for the context: >> >> 1.2 Service Oriented Archtecture - An Ecosystem Perspective >> >> Many systems cannot be understood by a simple decomposition into parts >> and subsystems -- in particular when there are many interactions between >> the parts. For example, a biological ecosystem is a self-sustaining >> association of plants, animals, and the hysical environment in which >> they live. Undestanding an ecosystem often requires a holistic >> perspective rather than one focusing on the system's individual parts. >> >> The SOA Ecosystem described in this document occupies the boundary >> between Business and IT. It is neither wholly IT nor wholly Business, >> but is of both worlds. Neither Business nor IT completely own, govern >> and manage this SOA Ecosystem. Both sets of concerns must be >> accommodated for the SOA Ecosystem to fulfill its purposes. Business >> needs drive the development of services delivered through IT, providing >> the capability that satisfies those needs. This is the business value of >> SOA. >> >> From a holistic perspective, a SOA-based system is a network of >> independent services, machines, the people who operate, affect, use and >> govern those services as well as ... >> >> Cheers, >> Rex >> >> Rex Brooks wrote: >> >>> Hi Ken, Everyone, >>> >>> I believe that the email you are looking for is your reply to Frank: >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/soa-rm-ra/email/archives/ >>> 200906/msg00012.html >>> >>> >>> This is what Frank Wrote Jun 14, 2009, at 7:12 PM: >>> >>> "I sympathize with the sentiment behind this. We have consistently >>> identified SOA as being at the boundary between business and IT. It is >>> >> >> >>> neither wholly IT nor wholly business but is of both worlds. >>> >>> That represents potentially one of SOA's greatest opportunities; and >>> the source of its weaknesses: neither business nor IT can completely >>> own/grok SOA. >>> >>> Frank" >>> >>> The email referenced above contains the most or all of the thread "Are >>> >> >> >>> we being ignored?" >>> >>> I'm not sure we would help ourselves if we say more than "The SOA >>> Ecosystem described in this document occupies the boundary between >>> Business and IT. It is neither wholly IT nor wholly Business, but is >>> of both worlds. Neither Business nor IT completely own, govern and >>> manage this SOA Ecosystem. Both sets of concerns MUST be accommodated >>> for the SOA Ecosystem to fulfill its purposes." >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rex >>> >>> >>> Laskey, Ken wrote: >>> >>>> This is a reminder that this week we are scheduled to discuss adding >>>> the text on the overlap of SOA and business. Below is text suggested >>>> >> >> >>>> by Michael Poulin and there is another email from Boris with a lot of >>>> >> >> >>>> idea that would need to be condensed and added/substituted/combined. >>>> Let's get the discussion far enough along that we can bring this to >>>> (close to) closure by the end of Wednesday's call. >>>> >>>> I remember there was an email where Frank wrote something very crisp >>>> on this subject that I replied was exactly what we needed to say. >>>> Unfortunately, I have no idea when that email thread occurred. If >>>> someone could find it, I think it would be a good contribution to the >>>> >> >> >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> Back to Mike's suggested text, two immediate things come to mind. >>>> >>>> 1. Section 1.4 is a discussion of the views and this is not a view to >>>> >> >> >>>> be added as 1.4.4. I think it fits after section 1.2, possibly as >>>> another short section. >>>> >>>> 2. It is not obvious to me what the phrase "the similarity of the >>>> principles of the Value Networks business model" means. >>>> >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Dr. Kenneth Laskey >>>> MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 >>>> 7515 Colshire Drive fax: >>>> 703-983-1379 >>>> McLean VA 22102-7508 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mpoulin@usa.com [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com] Sent: Thursday, >>>> September 10, 2009 11:31 AM >>>> To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >>>> Subject: [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and >>>> business >>>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> I join Francis and Boris in suggestion that SOA RA's Introduction >>>> would benefit from adding a couple of paragraphs on the business >>>> aspects of SOA positioned across Business and IT. >>>> >>>> In the previous message I composed a few words for a small section on >>>> >> >> >>>> this topic and propose to discuss them as an initial draft during the >>>> >> >> >>>> next (or following) Telecom. Proposed text may be found in the middle >>>> >> >> >>>> of this message chain. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> - Michael >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----------- >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: todos for PR2 >>>> >>>> From: mpoulin@usa.com To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org Date: 8 Sep >>>> 2009 16:21:26 -0000 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----------- >>>> >>>> >>>> "positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business" is what I write >>>> >> >> >>>> a lot for last few months. So, let me propose a strawman for this >>>> >> text: >> >>>> 1.4.4 Business Value of the Service Oriented Architecture >>>> >>>> A Service Oriented Architecture realizes principles of the concept of >>>> >> >> >>>> service orientation in the sphere of architecture. The architecture >>>> in the organisation comprises both business architecture and >>>> technical architecture of the systems [ref. to TOGAF 9.0]. While >>>> SOA-based systems address aspects of the technical architecture, the >>>> similarity of the principles of the Value Networks business model and >>>> >> >> >>>> SOA allows us to see SOA as a conceptual bridge between corporate >>>> Business and IT. >>>> >>>> Noticed similarity opens up new possibilities for Business and IT to >>>> construct service-oriented customer-centric convergent solutions for >>>> business problems. Service orientation enables operational and >>>> technical flexibility, which contributes to business efficiency the >>>> great deal. The Service Orientation concept has the potential not >>>> only to align IT with Business, but also to align the entire company >>>> with the market dynamics. >>>> >>>> >>>> If the ideas in this writing are acceptable, I will work on the >>>> >> wording. >> >>>> - Michael Poulin >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----------- >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Francis McCabe <fmccabe@gmail.com> To: >>>> "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org RA" <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org> >>>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:24:08 -0700 >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----------- >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. As Boris alluded to, I think that a paragraph or two in the >>>> introduction positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business >>>> could be very useful. It is also pretty faithful to the RAF! >>>> >>>> 2. The concept of interaction in the RM referred *everything* >>>> involved in interacting with services. For the RA we have to unpack >>>> that some. This is the foundation for the multi-leveled concept of >>>> joint action. This should go in Section 3.1. >>>> >>>> 3. I think that Danny's security diagram should be updated and >>>> incorporated. >>>> >>>> 4. The trust and willingness stuff should go in. >>>> >>>> 5. It would be good if we could go through the text bolding defined >>>> concepts. >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----------- >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----------- >>>> >>>> >>>> [Date Prev] | [Thread Prev] | [Thread Next] | [Date Next] -- [Date >>>> Index] | [Thread Index] | [List Home] >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Rex Brooks >> President, CEO >> Starbourne Communications Design >> GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison >> Berkeley, CA 94702 >> Tel: 510-898-0670 >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. 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