Re: [soa-rm-ra] Fwd: DM2 Soa Modeling - SoaML Perspective workingmeeting

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Agreed, first things first. However, I think we could use the venerable 
furniture moving situation with participants A and B, and for the sake 
of setting it into a context, let's say A takes the single action of:

A sends an email to B: Hi B, Can you help me move this table Saturday?

Results:

Wild Card: the email disappears with no bounce notice. It's possible but 
doesn't help us, so I propose we ignore it for the sake of getting to 
the atomic level of granularity.

B can miss or ignore email, and no Joint Communicative Action occurs. 
(Let's dismiss the philosophical question about whether a negative joint 
action occurred because we can't establish a priori whether B notices 
the email or not, and if B does and ignores it, no one else knows 
either, and it doesn't matter.)

B can answer: Hi A, Sure, and a Joint Communicative Action occurs 
whether the table ever gets moved or not.

B can answer: Hi A, I'm busy Saturday, but I could do it Sunday. How 
does that work for you? and a Joint Communicative Action occurs whether 
the table ever gets moved or not.

B can answer: Hi A. No, and a Communicative Joint Action occurs even if 
the outcome does not lead to a Joint (Physical) Action resulting in the 
intended Real Word Effect.

In any event, before the Joint (Physical) Action can occur, some 
Communicative Joint Action needs to take place and I think this is the 
level of atomic granularity I referred to previously.

Cheers,
Rex

Ken Laskey wrote:
> I spent a fair amount of time talking with Cory about what was joint 
> action we cared about vs. single action.  Was it always joint action? 
>  Was single action just a degenerate or failed case, e.g. I sent a 
> message to you but you didn't receive it (by failure or due to 
> refusal).  Cory also feels that the Joint Action concept provides 
> something that would be missing otherwise but our discussion didn't 
> clearly identify what that is.
>
> Anyway, first PR2 and then we come up with and stick to a plan for 
> running this to ground.
>
> Ken
>
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Thornton, Danny R (IS) wrote:
>
>> No drowning that cat now! It's out of the bag and running free.
>>
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>> *From:* Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:48 PM
>> *To:* soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org 
>> <mailto:soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org> RA
>> *Subject:* [soa-rm-ra] Fwd: DM2 Soa Modeling - SoaML Perspective 
>> working meeting
>>
>> I attended a meeting on the DoDAF metamodel (DM2) and Cory Casanave 
>> presented this brief showing soaML modeling.  Some of the latter 
>> stuff still in the discussion phase has to do with this weird thing 
>> called Joint Action.  Take a look and consider how it relates to the 
>> RA concept.
>>
>> Ken
>>
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