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Subject: RE: [tag] TAG TC 2010-06-09 Meeting Minutes - UPDATE
The previous meeting was identified as happening on 2010-05-27. The meeting was on 05-25 (the minutes were published on 05-27). The text has been corrected in this update. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 18:36 To: 'TAG TC List' Cc: 'Jacques R. Durand' Subject: [tag] TAG TC 2010-06-09 Meeting Minutes Test Assertions Guidelines (TAG) TC Teleconference Meeting Logistics: ---------- Wednesday 2pm (PDT), 21:00Z, 9 June 2010 Host confcall: Fujitsu US Toll Free: 877-995-3314 US Toll/International: 210-339-1806 Passcode: 9589308 Attendance and Quorum --------------------- MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE 5/5 Voting Members attending: 3/5 requirement for quorum was satisfied * Jacques Durand, Chair (Fujitsu) * Dennis Hamilton, Secretary (Individual) * Frederick Boland (NIST) * Kevin Looney (Oracle) * Paul Rank (Oracle) [*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (5)] MEMBERS ABSENT Dale Moberg (Axway Software) Youngkon Li (Individual) Kyoung_Rog Yi (National IT Industry Promotion Agency, Korea) = Patrick Curran (Oracle) Dmitry Kostovarov, (Oracle) Victor Rudometov, (Oracle) Hyunbo Cho (Pohang University of Science & Technology) [*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (0) =: Persistent non-Voting Member at start and conclusion of meeting (1)] APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS MINUTES <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201005/msg00019.html> The 2010-05-25 Meeting Minutes were approved without objection APPROVAL OF AGENDA <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201006/msg00001.html> The agenda was taken up after brief discussion, no action ACTION ITEMS AI1-June9: [Jacques] Revise the components on JIRA and add list of versions that can be used in the Applies Version and Fix Version pull-downs on JIRA. AI2-June9: [Jacques] Create an issue on the Normative Source Structure and how we propose to simplify it. AI1-May25: [All] Review the direction taken in TA Model CD01-rev02 in preparation for approving the updated conformance section and the approach to providing semantics in the TA Model on the next call (tbd after June 8). AI2-May25: [Jacques] will upload a more-complete version of TAML showing the RelaxNG usage. AI3-May25: [Jacques] upload an update of the TA Model draft AI4-May25: [All] Look over Normative Source and RefSourceItems, TextSourceItems, DerivedSourceItems for Section 3, how semantics are placed, and how the changes are working before Jacques continues in a week. AI5-May25: [Jacques] Determine workable call time and date for the first call in June. AI1-May11: [Jacques] check with Patrick Curran about when his leave ends AI2-May11: *Done* [Jacques] create a standing "TAG Promotion" item in the agenda AI1-Apr27: [Dennis] to investigate "Compact" RelaxNG for our Markup syntax. [Jacques finds this tutorial: http://www.relaxng.org/compact-tutorial-20030326.html] [Dennis since found a compact form used in a W3C specification, adding it to TAG-4, http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201005/msg00014.html] AI2-Apr27: *Done* [Jacques] to check the JIRA page, possible re-configuration, add Dennis as authorized user. AI1-Mar30: [Jacques] follow-up with Dave P. on his comments, to make sure we address them correctly. AI3-Mar30: [Jacques] Contact W3C test team to remind them of PR, calling for comments. AI4-Mar30: [Kevin] Contact Oracle internally to confirm they know about the PR (folks who contacted him) AI5-Mar30: [Dennis] Investigate RDF possible representation for the TA Model. (ontologies / OWL?) 1. REVIEW TA Model Draft Updates (posted 5/24, along lines in 5/5 email proposal) <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=37943> These are implemented partially in response to TAG-1 and TAG-6: <http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-1> <http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-6> Our current disposition is documented in comments on those issues. Jacques noticed that we have no provision for a description of the role of a TA in the Test Assertion. Jacques proposes to add it to the updates on the model and on the markup. (There is no JIRA issue for this.) Jacques also noticed that the Normative Source Structure is a complex element and it may be too heavy. He proposes that we look at it as a new issue. The Reference Source item seems to have superfluous content, since it is a reference to the source, not the source. Jacques is also a little uneasy about the Derived Source and all of this variation and redundancy. More to look at. The Shared element can over-ride some aspects of a re-used element and this leads to a conflict-resolution mechanism and ability to select it. Jacques requests that we review all of that as he continues to make updates along the lines discussed today. 2. Review TA Markup Draft Updates (5/25 and 6/7, along lines in 5/4 email proposal) <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=37970> These are implemented partially in response to TAG-1, TAG-2 (linked above), plus TAG-3, and TAG-4: <http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-3> <http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-4> Our current disposition is documented in comments on those issues also. TAML Section 3.3 has been renamed Outcome of the Test Assertion, because the semantics of test assertions are with the parts in the TA Model. This is a collateral change to go with the semantic updates that are predominant in the TA Model and not in the TA Markup specification. 3. JIRA Issue Tracker We discussed the identification of components and the need to differentiate components from versions that issues apply to and versions that a fix is expected in. Some further adjustment needs to be made by Jacques as JIRA Project Leader. With regard to current JIRA issues, we agreed that TAG-7 and TAG-8 are to be deferred beyond the current specifications. 4. Next Public Review Plans Jacques reviewed the need to create diffs with the old drafts and new drafts taken to the next Public Review. We are looking at having complete working drafts for our own approval at the end of June, with internal review in July and vote as CDs for additional Public Review in early August. This would be a 15-day second review against the changes. 5. Identifying TA Model Implementers Jacques observes that NIST may be the third, along with OASIS SCA and WS-I. 6. NEXT MEETING The next call will be on WEDNESDAY June 23. For most of July, Jacques will be on vacation and we will have that time to review the revisions and discuss on the list. Respectfully submitted, - Dennis E. Hamilton --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
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