RE: [xtm-wg] tag line: the GPS metaphor and other metaphors

["Mason, James (MXM) " <mxm@ornl.gov>]

Charles attributes the phrase to Steve Pepper (e.g., his presentation at XML
Europe 2000). The phrase is used  in the summary of Pepper's paper that is
reprinted in the XML Handbook, (2nd and 3rd editions).

I've worked with Charles for nearly two decades, and I'm the first to say we
owe a lot to him -- but I'm also quick to assert we don't need to give him
credit for more than he's due. We wouldn't have SGML without him (and thus
XML and TMs), but he didn't invent it singlehandedly, and it's purely urban
legend that he invented markup, text processing, and computers.

The real question here is, of course, not ownership of a phrase but whether
the phrase is useful in this context.

I like the phrase because it's short, it's just trendy/high tech enough for
now (but maybe not 3 years from now), and people will understand it. I
prefer it in a variant that refers to "information" or "knowledge" rather
than to the "Web" because TMs work in more than a Web environment. But I
don't think we need to push a tag line for deep meaning or for full
congruence with a conceptual model.

Jim Mason

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jack Park [SMTP:jackpark@verticalnet.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 20, 2000 07:30 p.m.
> To:	xtm-wg@egroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [xtm-wg] tag line: the GPS metaphor and other metaphors
> 
> Probably an extended reach to say "owned" when I am echoing that I have
> heard that he "coined" the phrase and thus "owns" it in my judgement.  If
> he
> did, indeed, coint that precise phrase, then he is entitled to some kind
> of
> trademark or copyright on it, I think.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Murray Altheim <murray.altheim@eng.sun.com>
> To: <xtm-wg@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [xtm-wg] tag line: the GPS metaphor and other metaphors
> 
> 
> > Jack Park wrote:
> > >
> > > Well stated, Jim.  In fact, if it is true that the GPS metaphor is
> "owned"
> > > by Charles Goldfarb, then we should not be messing with it.
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > Are you privy to some information we don't know about? How is the GPS
> > metaphor owned by anyone? And how is Charles Goldfarb associated with
> > this metaphor? I'd not heard it associated with him previously. This
> > seems different that TimBl's book title. Nobody can "own" a metaphor.
> >
> > Murray
> >
> >
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