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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] UBL vs UN/CEFACT


Dear Robert and Andreas,

Although UN/EDIFACT - and also ANSI X12 if we are just going to look into what WAS available - is one of the oldest EDI standards we have seen with the advent of XML a boost of new XML standards (semantics and syntaxes) coming up such as the OAGI standard, BASDA, RosettaNet, cXML and moreover 150 other XML standards.

We can turn the phrase around and say UN/CEFACT vs UBL but that is not what ultimately it is about. The question is why after all these 150 XML standards were developed including cXML and UBL have people decided to start the development of UN/CEFACT ?

kind regards
Danny Gaethofs


From: Robert Lemense <r.lemense@skynet.be>
To: andreas.schultz@dkv.com; roberto@javest.com; dgaethofs@yahoo.com
Cc: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:37:26 PM
Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] UBL vs UN/CEFACT

Well done Andreas,
 
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.  (George Santayana - The Life of Reason)
 
Best Regards,
Robert Lemense
Past Chair TBG12 (Accounting & Audit)
UN/CEFACT
----- Original Message -----
From: andreas.schultz@dkv.com
To: roberto@javest.com ; dgaethofs@yahoo.com
Cc: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: AW: [ubl-dev] UBL vs UN/CEFACT

Hello Danny and Roberto,
 
especially, mentioning  UN/EDIFACT the point is, that UN/EDIFACT was there for a long time before UBL came up. As far as I remember, UBL came up, during the time of the ebXML project. So indeed, you could turn the question just the other way round.
 
Best regards
Andreas Schultz
Chair TBG8 (Insurance)
UN/CEFACT Forum


Von: JAVEST by Roberto Cisternino [mailto:roberto@javest.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Juli 2009 18:52
An: Danny Gaethofs
Cc: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Betreff: Re: [ubl-dev] UBL vs UN/CEFACT

Hello Danny,

probably you can find some answers into the MoU for eBusiness where OASIS has been invited:
http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/e-business/mou/

and following the link "Key Standards" under Resources, you will find UBL too:

http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/e-business/mou/MoUMG-standards.html

In few words the MoU on eBusiness is promoting collaboration and re-use of existing standards within partecipants.

UBL was in the agenda of the MoU/Management Group
http://xml.coverpages.org/MoU-MG-OASIS2002.pdf
http://xml.coverpages.org/MOU-OASIS-200202.html

Compared to UN/EDIFact, UBL can be considered as the eBusiness kernel, just like ISO20022-UNIFI is the eFinance kernel and WCO is the Customs kernel, so on...

So I understood it was a logic path to create a unique integrated set of business documents & messages for the whole Financial Supply Chain.

UBL was effectively into this path from a long time, expecially due to the MoU.

Today the possibility to endorse OASIS and W3C Standards by European Standardization bodies is providing new instruments to protect the best practices and standardization efforts provided by relevant Open Consortium (aka User Groups).
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/policy/standards/whitepaper.pdf
Hope this helps,

Best regards,

Roberto Cisternino
---

Danny Gaethofs ha scritto:
Dear all,

I just recently got the question what has been the reason for starting the development of UN/CEFACT whereas UBL was already available. I have been reading a lot about this but apart from the CCTS approach that has been worked out much further within UN/CEFACT I do not really find the answer.

Any one out there that has been there from the start remembers why ?

kind regards
Danny Gaethofs


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