Hello,
I think I already answered this question.
UBL is covering just the commercial part of the electronic business.
Of course supported documents are the most common in the world but not
the only one. eFinance messages for instance are not in the scope of
UBL.
UN/EDIFact was embracing almost *ALL* documents/messages used all over
the world.
This is why CEFACT has been always considered the preferred place to
drive an ISO standardization of an eBusiness Global Standard.
Best regards
Roberto
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Dear Robert and Andreas,
Although UN/EDIFACT - and also ANSI X12 if we are just going to look
into what WAS available - is one of the oldest EDI standards we have
seen with the advent of XML a boost of new XML standards (semantics and
syntaxes) coming up such as the OAGI standard, BASDA, RosettaNet, cXML
and moreover 150 other XML standards.
We can turn the phrase around and say UN/CEFACT vs UBL but that is not
what ultimately it is about. The question is why after all these 150
XML standards were developed including cXML and UBL have people decided
to start the development of UN/CEFACT ?
kind regards
Danny Gaethofs
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Sent: Wednesday, July
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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev]
UBL vs UN/CEFACT
Well done Andreas,
Those who cannot remember the
past are condemned to repeat it. (George Santayana - The Life of
Reason)
Best Regards,
Robert Lemense
Past Chair TBG12 (Accounting &
Audit)
UN/CEFACT
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AW: [ubl-dev] UBL vs UN/CEFACT
Hello Danny and Roberto,
especially, mentioning
UN/EDIFACT the point is, that UN/EDIFACT was there for a long time
before UBL came up. As far as I remember, UBL came up, during the time
of the ebXML project. So indeed, you could turn the question just the
other way round.
Best regards
Andreas Schultz
Chair TBG8 (Insurance)
UN/CEFACT Forum
Hello Danny,
probably you can find some answers into the MoU for eBusiness where
OASIS has been invited:
http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/e-business/mou/
and following the link "Key Standards" under Resources, you will find
UBL too:
http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/e-business/mou/MoUMG-standards.html
In few words the MoU on eBusiness is promoting collaboration and re-use
of existing standards within partecipants.
UBL was in the agenda of the MoU/Management Group
http://xml.coverpages.org/MoU-MG-OASIS2002.pdf
http://xml.coverpages.org/MOU-OASIS-200202.html
Compared to UN/EDIFact, UBL can be considered as the eBusiness kernel,
just like ISO20022-UNIFI is the eFinance kernel and WCO is the Customs
kernel, so on...
So I understood it was a logic path to create a unique integrated set
of business documents & messages for the whole Financial Supply
Chain.
UBL was effectively into this path from a long time, expecially due to
the MoU.
Today the possibility to endorse OASIS and W3C Standards by European
Standardization bodies is providing new instruments to protect the best
practices and standardization efforts provided by relevant Open
Consortium (aka User Groups).
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/policy/standards/whitepaper.pdf
Hope this helps,
Best regards,
Roberto Cisternino
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Danny Gaethofs ha scritto:
Dear all,
I just recently got the question what has been the reason for starting
the development of UN/CEFACT whereas UBL was already available. I have
been reading a lot about this but apart from the CCTS approach that has
been worked out much further within UN/CEFACT I do not really find the
answer.
Any one out there that has been there from the start remembers why ?
kind regards
Danny Gaethofs
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