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Subject: Re: [ubl-lcsc] [code] ISO considering charging for commercial use of code lists

Sorry to be the wet blanket here, but UN/ECE publishing the lists
on the internet doesn't necessarily imply UBL will be able to 
repackage the information and distribute in UBL's package.

Please see    http://www.unece.org/etrades/uncopyright.htm

where the important applicable section is section 2(a) in
which it is explcitly stated that redistributing or derivative
works are not explicitly permitted unless there are writings
stating otherwise.

Would LSC need to obtain some permission grants from UN/ECE 
on this matter?

I could proceed with the UBL-isation of those codes if there's
such writing of permission grants.

Best Regards,
Chin Chee-Kai
Tel: +65-6820-2979
Fax: +65-6743-7875
Email: cheekai@SoftML.Net

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Tim McGrath wrote:

>>Welcome back sue,
>>it is good to know that UN/ECE can provide many of these.  With respect
>>to your final question, it would help if you could look at the package
>>Stepehen just posted 'draft 4 models of UBL 1.0 alpha' and particularly
>>try and populate column I "External Source Agency" of the Code List
>>Catalogue with your recommendations/suggestions.  to date we have not
>>paid too much attention to this but as we move from theory into practice
>>we will have to start considering our options here.  in principal the
>>recommendations of CEFACT (or more correctly UN/ECE) would be the first
>>at this stage we are not necessarily asking agencies to provide the
>> schemas for these codes - just the raw data.  my guess is we shall
>>build these ourselves as part of 1.0 alpha (and beta) then during trial
>>implementation we will start to get them outsourced.
>>we plan to discuss this as part of the review on tuesday's call.
>>Sue Probert wrote:
>>>I don't believe that this is a problem for us, at least not yet, because the
>>>two key ISO code lists that we need are co-published by ISO and UN/ECE and
>>>available free from UN/ECE.
>>>These are a) the 3166 ISO Country Code List which is published by UN/ECE as
>>>UN/ECE Recommendation No 3 and b) the ISO 4217 Currency Code list which is
>>>published by UN/ECE as UN/ECE Recommendation No 9. The UN/ECE versions are
>>>subsets of the full ISO lists bit nevertheless they do provide all that we
>>>require for ebusiness so we don't need to pay for them.
>>>BTW The UOM, units of measurements, code list is published by UN/ECE and not
>>>by ISO. This list  is UN/ECE Recommendation No 20 and is therefore free too.
>>>Are there any others that we use in UBL so far?
>>>Sue Probert
>>>Tel: +44 1425 275117
>>>Mobile +44 7798 846652
>>>email sue.probert@dial.pipex.com
>>tim mcgrath
>>phone: +618 93352228
>>postal: po box 1289   fremantle    western australia 6160
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