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Subject: Re: [ubl-psc] Re: UBL prd2 issues
Sorry Roberto, I missed this, let me look at the latest release and I'll rephrase my concern again. Nevertheless, let me point that the main issue is that if we use the same TaxTotal class to state normal taxes and withholding taxes, we need to explain that the behaviour depends on the code value. Usually tax amount is added to the TaxExclusiveAmount to get the TaxInclusive Amount, but the withhold taxes should not be added there. They have to be substracted in the PayableAmount as this is not going to be payed to the seller, but to another party (the Tax Agency) Regards, Oriol El 22/02/2011, a las 10:50, Roberto Cisternino escribiķ: > Hi Oriol, > > about withholding taxes we have made already a discussion and there have > been already issues on UBL 2.1 that I remember were solved. > > These are the latest comments on the witholding tax issue: > > The WithholdingTaxTotal is either an Italian and Spanish requirement, but > it is a well know use case where the Debtor (Buyer) is requested to > collect the tax for the Seller (Small and micro companies). The original > FIRTG issue was not correct or clear enough about how the Withholding tax > total is working, so I point out below some important information: > 1) The payable amount total is net of the withholding tax. > 2) The withholding tax is not part of VAT but it is an income tax > 3) The withholding tax is calculated, like VAT, from the taxable amount > using a rate. > 4) The withholding tax is a total amount to be showed separately The > actual TaxTotal seems to be sufficient as the Withholding Tax can be > expressed using a different TaxScheme for that purpose and separated from > VAT. > > NOTE: also UN/ECE code lists related to taxes are already supporting the > witholding tax use case. > > Roberto > >> Hi all >> >> When working in Spain with the UBL 2.0 Invoice I've noticed that there are >> two relevant items in Spain that cannot be clearly stated. >> These things are: >> >> 1) Person class: In Spain we have a second surname. I'd suggest to add a >> MotherSurname or SecondSurname in Person. >> 2) There is a use case in Spain where individuals can issue invoices to >> companies and these invoices can carry Personal Income Tax information, so >> the company must withhold that amount and pay it to the tax office on >> behalf of the individual. >> I thought this could be done using AllowanceCharge but the special usage >> of this withholding amount and the need of informing about it make me to >> think on an additional structure to carry this information. >> The point is that Withhold Amount must be deducted from the PayableAmount, >> but it does not affect the TaxInclusive Amount. If you think it is ok, >> I'll try to suggest a new structure for this. >> >> I know it is late to raise these issues, my apologies. >> >> Oriol >> >> >> >> El 22/02/2011, a las 01:25, Tim McGrath escribiķ: >> >>> We are finalizing the draft but it may take a few weeks to get the >>> public review launched. i would expect it to be in March sometime. >>> >>> The decision on contractual information means that we wont be adding >>> more structures for this, but i suggest you await the total package >>> before evaluating it. >>> >>> On 21/02/2011 9:56 PM, Joao Frade wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Tim, Hi all, >>>> >>>> We are currently checking the UBL 2.1 structures in detail (to evaluate >>>> the migration effort) and will need to check whether the proposed >>>> solution for contractual information meets our needs. >>>> >>>> When will the next public review of UBL 2.1 take place? >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for your feedback. >>>> >>>> With best regards, >>>> João >>>> For the latest issue of the PwC Technology Forecast, please visit our >>>> website >>>> Joao Frade | Manager | PricewaterhouseCoopers* Performance >>>> Improvement Consulting >>>> Woluwe Garden - Woluwedal 18 | B-1932 Sint-Stevens-Woluwe | >>>> www.pwc.be >>>> Tel +32 2 7109284 | Fax +32 2 7107224 | Mobile +32 477 842292 | >>>> E-mail joao.frade@pwc.be >>>> Please consider the impact on the environment before printing this >>>> e-mail and/or the attachment(s). >>>> >>>> *PricewaterhouseCoopers Enterprise Advisory cvba/scrl >>>> Maatschappelijke zetel/Sičge social: Woluwe Garden, Woluwedal 18, >>>> B-1932 Sint-Stevens-Woluwe >>>> BTW/TVA BE 0415.622.333 RPR Brussel/RPM Bruxelles >>>> ING 310-1381196-02 >>>> This legal entity is a member of the network of member firms of >>>> PricewaterhouseCoopers International Limited, each of which is a >>>> separate and independent legal entity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim McGrath <tim.mcgrath@documentengineeringservices.com> >>>> 15/02/2011 01:23 >>>> >>>> To >>>> Arianna Brutti <arianna.brutti@enea.it> >>>> cc >>>> 'Oriol Bausā' <oriol@invinet.org>, Joao Frade <joao.frade@pwc.be> >>>> Subject >>>> Re: UBL prd2 issues >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> we decided that we wold not act on both issues as we think the >>>> requirement can be met by using the additional document to define the >>>> contract details. >>>> >>>> so the disposition for both is resolved (subject to possible feedback >>>> in PRD 2). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15/02/2011 12:53 AM, Arianna Brutti wrote: >>>> Hi Tim and Oriol, >>>> >>>> I have just discovered that I' m missing 2 resolutions to complete the >>>> implementation of the issues for prd2. >>>> >>>> You were in the resolution team and the issues are n. 64 and 87. >>>> >>>> Could you give me some feedbacks about? >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> Best regards, >>>> Arianna [attachment "tim_mcgrath.vcf" deleted by Joao Frade/BE/GRM/PwC] >>>> >>>> >>>> *Professional >>>> Mail*------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. >>>> If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, >>>> please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. 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