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Subject: Agenda for Pacific UBL TC call 04 April 2018 01:30UTC

Agenda for Pacific UBL TC call 04 April 2018 01:00UTC
2018-04-04 UBL Pacific  - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney

The meeting room will be open at 01:00UTC but the meeting won't start
until 01:30UTC


  Meeting ID: 547 975 473

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     - the following should be used as a specific citation:
       OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.1 (ISO/IEC 19845:2015)
     - the following would be used for a general (any version) citation:
       OASIS UBL (ISO/IEC 19845)
     - the canonical documents are available in the OASIS repository:
     - the ISO/IEC catalogue entry is found at:
     - the ISO/IEC document and attachments are found at:


    Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events
     - no new events to add at this time

    Review of Pacific call minutes

    Review of Atlantic call minutes

    Membership status review

     - voting status is determined by the following:
       - existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to
         maintain voting status
       - non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain
         voting status
       - members formally on leave by prior request must not attend and
         their voting status is not impacted
     - current UBL TC voting member list (alphabetical) and relationships:
       - Todd Albers
         - Member ASC X9 AB, Member ISO 20022 Payment SEG, Member W3C Web
           Payments Interest Group, Business Payments Coalition
       - Oriol Bausà Peris
         - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML, Editor TC434 Validation
       - Kenneth Bengtsson
         - Chair OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, DK Expert UN/CEFACT
       - Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
         - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML Core & MS
         - Member CEN/TC434/WS8
       - Peter Borresen
         - DK Member CEN/TC440, Assistant Convenor CEN/TC440/WG7
       - Kees Duvekot
         - Member OASIS BDXR
       - Cécile Guasch
         - Member CEN/TC440, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG1, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG2,
           European Commission liaison (DIGIT Interoperability Unit)
       - G. Ken Holman
         - Member OASIS BDXR, CA Member JTC 1/SC32, CA Expert UN/CEFACT
       - Ole Ellerbæk Madsen
         - DK Member CEN/TC440, CEN/TC440 Liaison JTC 1/SC 32
       - Levine Naidoo
         - Member OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, Member Fintech Australia
     - members approaching gaining voting status after this meeting:
       - Matt Vickers
     - members approaching losing voting status after this meeting:
       - Peter Borresen
       - Cécile Guasch
     - active non-voting members
       - Matt Vickers, Xero
         - Member OASIS BDXR, Member US Business Payments Coalition
       - Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa
         - Member OASIS ebXML, European Commission liaison (DG GROWTH)
       - Roberto Cisternino
         - IT Expert UN/CEFACT
       - Audun Vennesland
     - new member orientation information:

UBL 2.2
  - Ole managing requirements for pre-award documents
  - Kees managing requirements for post-award documents
  - Peter managing requirements for transportation documents
  - Roberto managing requirements for party information documents

  - UBL 2.2 Committee Specification 01 is published:


  - we need 3 statements of use, one of which must be an organizational
    member of OASIS before we can proceed to the next stage and each one
    must follow a strict format:


    - three sources have been found but we will take more as well

  - the Candidate OASIS Standard is delayed from the dates published at our
    last meeting because of misinterpreting process (a "simple" majority
    is determined during a TC meeting, a "special" majority is determined
    in an online vote)
    - when we have the statements of use, Ken will prepare Candidate OASIS
      Standard for a simple majority vote for a special majority vote for
      the teleconference following the completion date of the vote on the
      Committee Specification:




  - countdown to standardization outlined in our UBL Governance document:


    - CS01 special majority vote will be requested after this meeting
    - Committee Specification late March
    - submissions begin for Statements of Use of candidate UBL 2.2
      - we need three statements of use to make UBL 2.2 a final standard
- https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/oasis-defined-terms-2017-05-26#dStatementUse
    - Candidate OASIS Standard COS1 prepared in early April
- https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process-2017-05-26#OSsubmission
    - 60-day public review of COS1 over by the end of June
    - 14-day OASIS member ballot at beginning of July
    - late July UBL 2.2 becomes an OASIS Standard
    - mid-August we will begin the ISO revision process for ISO/IEC 19845
    - we are already 8 months from our original objective of end of 2017

UBL 2.3
  - a posting has been made to the mail archives so that it can be cited
    in other correspondence:


  - Ole managing requirements for pre-award documents
  - Kees managing requirements for post-award documents
  - Peter managing requirements for transportation documents
  - Kenneth and Todd managing requirements for payments and finance documents
  - Roberto managing requirements for party information documents
  - we should further consider the idea raised earlier of splitting UBL into
    different normative parts
  - reminder about the calendar for UBL 2.3:
    - working drafts at the end of 2018
    - final OASIS Standard at the end of 2019
    - final ISO Standard at the end of 2020
  - new requirements identified in Europe:
    - pre-award catalogue
    - contract information

UBL Payments and Finance Subcommittee
  - upcoming face-to-face during the Exchange Summit Americas conference
    http://www.exchange-summit.com/exa/miami May 8-9, 2017 in Miami, Florida
  - consider hosting a public information session during the conference
  - work on hold until around April
  - what is needed in order to accommodate cryptocurrencies for payments?
    - possibly either payment means or payment channel

Outreach and communications
  - work progressing on analyzing current communication channels
  - Kenneth will ask TC Admin about elaborating on the bounce message
    to UBL-comment with more details about the nature of subscribing to use
    the list

UBL Transportation Subcommittee
  - new document types discussed at the face-to-face

OASIS Business Document Naming and Design Rules
  - Ken to prototype proposed augmented extension mechanism first discussed
    at the Fremantle face-to-face:
    - add an extension point at the beginning of *every* ABIE, not just the
      document ABIEs
    - ticket created to track online discussion:
  - working extensible UBL 2.1 schemas link posted to the ticket
    - Martin notified and he is contacting his industry colleagues who need it
  - 2018-02-22 discussion preserved for more discussion:
    - concerns based on real-world implementations of UBL where, without prior
      experience, and who do not have a data model that matches UBL, then UBL
      is very complex
    - what has been seen are very grave examples of claiming conformance but
      just throwing it into an extension rather than using the appropriate
      data element from UBL because it is easy to do so
    - maybe even up to 70% of the document shows up in the extension rather
      than in standard business objects
    - adding more extension points makes it more attractive to put one's data
into extensions for one of many reasons other than conformance (laziness,
      time-lines, understanding, etc.)
    - perhaps better documentation would make conformance better
    - the argument for is that there may be more uptake of UBL if
      implementers are able to more easily add what they need where they
      need it
    - one cannot prevent bad use of UBL but would more extension points
      promote more bad use?
    - proposed approach is intended to contextualize extensions where they
      belong rather than grouping them all up-front and having to determine
      where they apply
  - first comments received (on the ticket) regarding extensible ABIEs:


 - JSON rules in the OASIS Business Document Naming and Design Rules
  - active tickets:  https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472
  - the TC continues to invite public comment on the latest versions of
    these specifications until such time as we agree to progress the documents
    to their next steps in the process:


  - awaiting TC Administration feedback regarding:


    - as this is a facet of the public perception of an OASIS specification,
      the OASIS TC Administration not only needs to be involved, but they are
      the ones to do the heavy lifting with IANA with an amalgam of our
      needs and their needs, so we have to work with them and through them
      - ticket created for tracking:


  - comment posted for review from Tradeshift
    - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00000.html
  - comment posted for review from Australia (though it is an indirect link
    and not properly posted for commenting), and it appears to be observations
    and not a specific comment for action
    - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00001.html
  - Ken has begun work on the changes but is stalled looking for a JSON
    schema processor for Draft-7 of the json-schema specification

JIRA tickets
  - available filters:
       - UBL 2.x - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
       - BDNDR   - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472
       - All UBL - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=11670
       - TCAdmin - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070

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   - the face-to-face meeting in Australia was very successful and fruitful
   - should we be planning our next face-to-face meeting?


2018-04-04 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney 2018-04-04 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-04-11 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney 2018-04-11 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe

   - proposed that starting on 2018-04-11 UBL meetings would be every two
     weeks for a while, matched with the biweekly BDXR meetings
   - when things get busy we can talk about going back to weekly meetings

  Notes regarding teleconference times:

   - note in the next weeks the only times not changing are Pacific calls
     in North America and Atlantic calls in Europe ... all other times are
     somewhat juggled until April and then no changes until October


  Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future?  For
  privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.

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