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Subject: [xcbf] Proof of John Messing of ABA's verbal #33 YES vote

Hi Karl and Patrick,

In light of previous notes on the subject, here is the supporting material
to document that John Messing had casted verbally his #33 YES vote for
XCBF 1.1 as an OASIS standard before the dealine of August 31, 2003.

Best regards,
Tyky Aichelen
OASIS XML Common Biometric Format  TC Chair
DMTF CIM-SOAP/WSCIM Technical Workgroup Chair
Systems Strategy and Architecture
IBM Systems Group
tyky@us.ibm.com -  Lotus Notes: Tyky Aichelen/San Jose/IBM
1-408-256-5178 - T/L: 276-5178

----- Forwarded by Tyky Aichelen/San Jose/IBM on 08/31/2003 08:21 AM -----
                      Tyky Aichelen/San                                                                                        
                      Jose/IBM@IBMUS           To:       patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org                                         
                                               cc:       xcbf@lists.oasis-open.org, Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org>       
                      08/30/2003 10:40         Subject:  [xcbf] Need your help asap for a critical #33 YES vote for XCBF       
                      PM                        before Aug 31 deadline                                                         

Mr Gannon,
Please help the XCBF TC .
The OASIS ballot closes tomorrow Aug.31. Very few company reps bother to
vote (only 32 out of 329 so far).
For us in XCBF TC, a critical #33 YES vote must get in before end-of-day
But the voter,  John Messing of American Bar Association, is unable to do
so due to a long standing error in the system of rep names. The matter
seems to not be resolved since June.  Please help John Messing resolve this
matter so he can vote by tomorrow.

Best regards,
Tyky Aichelen
OASIS XML Common Biometric Format  TC Chair

----- Forwarded by Tyky Aichelen/San Jose/IBM on 08/30/2003 10:07 PM -----


                      <jmessing@law-on-        To:       Tyky Aichelen/San
                      line.com>                cc:

                                               Subject:  FWD: Inability to
cast vote
                      08/30/2003 11:02


                      Please respond to



This is where the matter now stands.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "jmessing" <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
Reply-To: <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
Date:  Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:53:16 -0400


I attempted today to cast the ABA vote on the three specifications which
have been submitted for standards approval: SAML 1.1, XCBF1.1, and WSRP

I was not recognized by the KAVI system as the voting representative of the
ABA. I found out for the first time today that a Karen Kalnins is
incorrectly listed as the ABA primary and voting representative. I do not
know who she is or how the error occurred.

I do not feel that the ABA is responsible. I had numerous conversations
with Scott McGrath in June and July about the status as the primary voting
member to OASIS of the ABA.

On August 3, 2003, I formally transmitted the appointment letter from the
ABA Board of Governors to Scott McGrath via email. A copy of the email and
the attachment are attached.

On August 23, 2003, having experienced persistent difficulties in posting
to the LegalXML Steering Committee, I wrote to Karl and indicated him I was
also concerned whether I was properly listed as the voting member of the
ABA. I asked to please make sure that "I am included on any notices about
voting as the ABA voting representative." I never received a reply to this

I have been occupied with other matters and decided to vote on the weekend.
When I tried today, I was rejected from the system. I tried to call Scott
McGrath, but he was not in (not surprising for a holiday weekend).

Please inform me how to proceed in the circumstances. I would like to cast
the votes on behalf of the ABA as a member, and believe any proper voting
results should include the ABA under the circumstances.

Thank you.

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