Re: [xdi] Minutes: XDI TC Telecon Thursday 1:00-2:00PM PT 2011-05-26

[Michael Schwartz <mike@gluu.org>]

Can we proceed with just the model, serialization and messaging? Is 
the dictionary spec a must have?

thx,

Mike


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Michael Schwartz
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On Fri, 27 May 2011, Drummond Reed wrote:

> Following are the minutes of the unofficial telecon of the XDI TC at:
>
> Date:  Thursday, 26 May 2011 USA
> Time:  1:00PM - 2:00PM Pacific Time (20:00-21:30 UTC)
>
> ATTENDING
>
> Bill Barnhill
> Mike Schwartz
> Markus Sabadello
> Joseph Boyle
> Drummond Reed
>
>
> THE GOTOMEETING FOR TODAY IS:
>     https://www2.gotomeeting.com/join/969244355
>
> THE IDEARPAD LINK FOR TODAY IS:
>     http://xdi.idearpad.org/30
>
>
> 1) UPDATES
> We haven't had a call for three weeks, so we started with general updates.
>
>   - Markus has been busy at the European Peace Academy, and has been
>   talking to them about XDI and the federated social web. He has been
>   following our key developments, however, and plans to get more active once
>   his EPA term is done in 3 months.
>
>
>   - Bill has been talking to Neil, who is planning the upcoming Cloud
>   Symposium in London  October 10-13 ,to reserve a space at the event for XDI.
>   Bill is proposing an XDI TC contribution to the forum, particularly if he is
>   able to get funding to go.
>
>
>   - Mike said that OpenLDAP is having LDAPCon in Heidelberg. He doesn't
>   think he'll be able to go, but wanted to point out that we are getting close
>   to being able to talk to the LDAP community about XDI.
>
>
>   - Drummond gave a brief update about Connect.Me, explaining that they
>   have launched a simple Twitter tagging application at tag.connect.me.
>
>
>
> 2)  REVISED XDI GRAPH PATTERN DOCUMENT AND CORRESPONDING XDI STATEMENT
> DOCUMENTS
>
> Scott McGrath fixed the PDF uploads, so below are links to the latest
> versions of The XDI Graph Model, XDI  Graph Patterns, and XDI Statements for
> XDI Graph Patterns.
>
>   -
>   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42049/xdi-graph-model-2011-05-08.pdf
>
>
>   -
>   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42045/xdi-graph-patterns-2011-05-08.pdf
>
>
>   -
>   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42047/xdi-statements-for-xdi-graph-patterns-2011-05-08.pdf
>
>
> Drummond would like to merge those into one document in advance of beginning
> our work on the specs (see below).
>
>
> 3) OXGRAPH
>
>  http://openxdi.gluu.info/oxGraph/
>
> Mike said that OpenXDI has implemented the basic operations, i.e., $get,
> $add, $mod, $del. The most complicated is $del, because it can go through an
> entire subgraph. $mod was the easiest since you can only update an XDI
> literal.
>
> The next focus is the server. Mike hopes to have the server out in about two
> weeks.
>
> Mike gave a demo of OxGraph, and how it worked with the different XDI
> example graphs. After the server is ready, Mike would like to add support
> for showing XDI operations in OxGraph.
>
> Markus explained that in his set of XDI utilities, he had two text boxes,
> one for the graph and one for the message being applied to the graph.
>
> Bill asked about the status of dictionaries. Drummond said he has done work
> on the basic patterns but that we need to document the core patterns just
> like the others we have done. Bill suggested that in terms of content, we
> should look at the several of the most-used RDF ontologies: FOAF and SIOC
> (pronounced "shock").
>
>
> 4) SPEC DRAFTING
>
> Mike asked about how close we are to formal drafting of 1.0 specs. Drummond
> offered the opinion that we are pretty close, at least to the XDI Graph
> Model and XDI Serialization specs, but that the key question is the resource
> to draft the spec docs themselves. There was wide consensus that the current
> TC membership is too busy with implementation and business activities to
> take on major spec drafting activity at this time.
>
> Bill feels that the spec must be as modular as we can make it.
>
> With regards to how we might get more resources to draft the actual spec
> documents, Drummond offered the view that the core TC members must be
> involved. Mike said he might be able to get some help from Yuriy on the
> OpenXDI project.
>
> We discussed the current breakdown on the XdiOneSpec page:
>
>  http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xdi/XdiOneSpecs
>
> We agreed that the two most important specs are XDI Messaging and XDI
> Dictionary. Drummond pointed out that those two specs need the Graph Model
> and Serialization.
>
> # ALL fill in requirements for the first four specs on
> http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xdi/XdiOneSpecs.
>
>
> 4) NEXT CALLS
>
> The next call will be next week at the regular time. We also agreed that the
> call two weeks from now will focus on XDI dictionaries, since we hope
> Giovanni can attend that call.
>
>
>
> ------------
> ONGOING ISSUES LIST
>
> Each of these is a candidate for the agenda for future calls.
>
> * TRANSACTIONAL INTEGRITY FOR XDI (added 2011-03-24)
>
> Since  versioning, as one example, involves multiple transactions that must
> be  commited as a group, we will need to address transactional integrity.
> Specifically, we need to define how this will be handled at the protocol
> level, vs. the implementation level.
>
> * PROPOSED CONSTRUCTS/OPERATORS FOR XDI
>
> Discuss the following wiki page originally posted by Giovanni:
>
>  http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xdi/XdiNewFoundation
>
> * DICTIONARY STRUCTURE
>
> Mike would like an example of the PDX dictionary as soon as we can do it.
>
> *   EQUIVALENCE SEMANTICS
>
> Close on whether we need an additional $ word that is the equivalent
> of Higgins Personal Data Model (PDM)  semantics   of h:correlation,
> which is not as strong as $is.
>
>      http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xdi/201006/msg00036.html
>
> * COOL URIS
>
> Continue previous discussion about the use of standard RDF URIs in XDI:
>
>  http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xdi/201006/msg00023.html
>