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Subject: Groups - XLIFF TC Meeting modified

Much gratitude to Yves for taking minutes, and thanks to David for
recommending a modification.

 -- Bryan Schnabel*

XLIFF TC Meeting has been modified by Bryan Schnabel*

Date:  Tuesday, 05 May 2009
Time:  11:00am - 12:00pm ET

Event Description:
1/ Call one of the FreeConferenceCall phone numbers:
US: (712) 432-1600
US: (605) 772-3100
Austria: 0820 4000 1552
Belgium: 070 35 9974
France: 0826 100 256
Germany: 01805 00 76 09 
Ireland: 0818 270 021
Italy: 848 390 156
Netherlands: 0870 001 920
Spain: 902 886025
Switzerland: 0848 560 179
UK: 0870 35 204 74
2/ Enter the Participant Access Code: 737043#

1/ Roll call
2/ Approve previous meeting minutes:
Accept, reject, or amend.


3/ Review Common Requirements for elements between TMX and XLIFF 
(come to consensus on the requirements, then assign owners to propose wording for the spec)    
 A. Report on the TMX meeting attended by XLIFF TC invitees
 B. Christians proposal for next steps 
 C. Adding an adjacent item not included in the list on the wiki page: issues around SUB
 D. Asgeirs thoughts on XLIFF 2.0 in 3D (Testing the friendship between XLIFF and TMX) (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200904/msg00016.html)

4/  "XLIFF 2.0 will be complete when _______" 
  There are two camps for filling in the blank
  A. Set a calendar goal. All items that are complete and approved by the 
     TC make it into XLIFF 2.0 - All others need to wait for the "next train," 
     i.e., XLIFF 2.X or XLIFF 3. Special care needs to be taken to define 
     doneness and ensure no dependency issues between items. 
     And "XLIFF 2.0 is complete on set date of *Month/Day/Year*"
         - or - 
 B. Define a finite set of XLIFF 2.0 items. Set a cutoff date for adding items. 
    The list of accepted items becomes our requirements document.
    And "XLIFF 2.0 is complete when items 1 through X are finished"
    (some in this camp see our current set of goals, as is, as that 
    finite list)

    i. Yves commented that XLIFF is not a software. And we should be careful with releasing versions that do not have some specific features we know will ultimately end up there. (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200904/msg00018.html)
5/ XLIFF 2.0 

1) --- Roll call:
Yves, Bryan, David, Asgeir, Magnus, Christian, +Lucia.

2) --- Asgeir move to accept minute, Yves second.
No objections.

3) --- Review Common Requirements for elements between TMX and XLIFF

Come to consensus on the requirements, then assign owners to propose
wording for the spec

A. Report on the TMX meeting attended by XLIFF TC invitees  
B. Christians proposal for next steps

C. Adding an adjacent item not included in the list on the wiki page:
issues around SUB

D. Asgeir's thoughts on XLIFF 2.0 in 3D (Testing the friendship between

Christian: Need to have time and space to proceed, or we are losing
momentum and opportunities. Need for timelines.

Bryan: Also for work in general (XLIFF 2.0)?

Christian: Personal opinion: just the inline markup.
Email is just examples. Main point is we need timelines.

Bryan: Group good at generating ideas, but less good at finalizing
things. So I'm for it.

Yves: +1.

Christian: anyone thing it would be counter-productive?
None voiced.
Are current steps ok, or too generic?

Christian: Yes, high-level milestones would be fine.

Bryan: Feel like we are on step-2 already. So maybe need to have a
deadline for that step and a milestone for step-3.
Second week of June for end of Step-2.
Yves, Asgeir: sounds good.
Christian: sounds fine.

Step-3 starting first week of July.

David: need scope defined (3.2) first. Or we won't know if requirements
cover the scope.

Bryan: right.

David: 3.2 may need to be more developed.
At what level is the scope? Group? Or source/target?

Bryan: inline affect XLIFF above source/target?

David: Until next meeting for scope (questions).

Bryan: Conclusion of next meeting for closing step-1.

David: For example, all to answer questions listed in scope by next

Bryan: Wiki as the "source of truth" for our work. Email thread for
discussion, wiki for the conclusion.
Is that ok with everyone?

Yves: yes. Asgeir: yes, I can also enter data to the wiki if some

Asgeir: email for the discussion, then we state the agreed upon
conclusion in the wiki. We can use link to the emails.

David: yes. But make sure not all the burden to maintain the wiki falls
on Asgeir's shoulder.

Asgeir: yes, for people comfortable with it, and cautious about not
overriding other's work. It's a balance to find.

Bryan: make sure also to set comments when committing the changes.

David: Maybe to restrict what changes can be done between the meetings.
For example for now, work only on the scope (add answers).

Asgeir: yes, bullet points for answer, and associated name.
If people more comfortable with email use email.

David: important to use email for notifying new info is being set.

Christian: are we discussing general discussion mechanism here? (not
just inline content).

Asgeir: yes, a way to collaborate in general. Here applied to the inline
content, but we can use this later for the other XLIFF 2.0

Bryan: yes.
Important to define the scope for example: is text just what in inside
source/target or within group?

Summary from Bryan:
- define methodology for working on inline content, and may be useable
for other parts of 2.0
- "scope" is the target for next meeting.
- people can edit wiki, email as well. Usually: use email for discussion and wiki for conclusion.
- adding sub-bullets (possible answers) to
scope (including pros and cons and name of the proponent) AND adding requirements is allowed between this and next meeting.

4) --- Method to define when XLIFF 2.0 is done.
Tabled for later as Rodolfo is not there.

5) --- XLIFF 2.0 requirements
Not in this meeting.

Bryan: no new business.
Lucia: we can become voting member at the end of second meeting.

Next meeting is third Tuesday of May.

Meeting adjourned.

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