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Subject: XLIFF TC Call - Apr-3-2012 - Summary

XLIFF TC Call - April 3rd 2012 - Summary

=== 1/ Roll call

Present: Lucia, Rodolfo, Shirley, Tom, Victor, Arle, Asanka, Bryan, DavidW, Fredrik, Helena, Ingo, Joachim, Klemens, Steven, Jung, DavidF, Christian.

Regrets: Paul

=== 2/ Approve Tuesday, 20 March 2012 meeting minutes:

Bryan moves to approve the minutes
Arle, Rodolfo second
No objections.

=== 3/ XLIFF 2.0 (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking)

Reference implementation:
Rodolfo: want to pass ownership to someone else
Yves: could take it
DavidF: could split reference implementation and validation tool
Bryan: Yves to get R30 and Rodolfo get new feature for a validation tool
Christian: would need explanation of validation tool would do.
Rodolfo: same as XLIFF-Checker.
Christian: we may need more in term of definition (i.e. what is checked)
Also what goes into schema vs tool-only
Fredrik: also maybe to supply two files and validate the modifications
Rodolfo, DavidF: +1
DavidF: Propose to have a formal ballot
Bryan: This is different than what we did in the past.
Rodolfo: sure, I will add the item in the wiki
DavidF: proposed this because R30 was approved already
Bryan: fine, we just need to make sure the item is clear
Christian: I would also like to see a definition of "Reference Implementation"
Rodolfo: yes, will add a proposed feature in the wiki.
ACTIOn ITEM: Yves to take ownership of R30 
(done by Rodolfo, thanks)

--- 1. Features proposed and seconded between meetings via mailing list, and features mentioned

c. String length constraint (should be added to wiki) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201202/msg00059.html

Fredrik: we need an attribute (or more) for this.
Rodolfo: just characters should be fine.
Fredrik: we do use plugins to test other units
DavidF: this is example of a basic functionality with extended facility needed too.
Propose that Fredrik define the feature in the wiki
Fredrik: advance support could be supported with extensibility.
But what should we have for the basic feature? Just chars?
Bryan: 1.2 tend to try to provide too much, in general the smaller the picklist the better
Rodolfo: yes, just char should be enough for the basic feature.
DavidF: what about bytes
Rodolfo, Arle: Unicode chars better
Joachim: fullwidth vs normal may be different?
Fredrik, Rodolfo: too much maybe.
Helena: you are mixing processing and display
Fredrik: for length check it may be important
Helena: is it for display or for process/buffer?
Steven: Simplest is to count Unicode chars (so max length for the process)
Helena: what the char is (zero-width, etc.) is for the tool to decide
Arle: MLW-LT is also looking at this. Interoperability would be nice.
Joachim: just Unicode char count would be the easiest.
Rendering length would need more (font, etc.)
Fredrik: just counting code-point may not be useful
Rodolfo: let's describe the feature in the wiki
Arle: two use cases: UI and DB (rendering and buffer/process)
Fredrik: buffer length also need encoding info
Helena: trying to understand the user scenario
Could use average size by char in most cases
Knowing length by code point gives a starting point
Joachim: agree we won't have a full solution for all cases
Fredrik: not sure if I like the proposed feature
That feature is in 1.2 and is used, but it's not in 2.0
It needs to be resolved in 2.0
Could drop it too
Joachim: but production would need it.
Bryan: a proposed feature in the wiki could be a good starting point
Just need to see what use cases are possible and which one we want 2.0 to support

Use of wiki:
Bryan: will try to create a video to explain how to use the wiki

d. Attributes for translation candidates http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201202/msg00082.html

Helena: Yves, I want to follow up on the "translation candidate attribute" thread off line.
Will do by email.

--- 3. XLIFF 2.0 Technical issues (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0)
a. Source read-only or not? (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00004.html)

Rodolfo: seems source does not need to be read-only
Bryan: some aspects may need discussion in Inline Markup SC.

=== 4/ Sub Committee Reports

--- 1. Inline text (Yves)

No meeting.
Not much to report on.
Will have a face-to-face meeting in Dublin on June-14/15

--- 2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David)

No SC meeting today.

XLIFF symposium for 15-17 Oct as pre-event of LocWorld
Federated event with LocWorld, MLW-LT and ULI
Call for volunteers for the review committee (to review proposal)

a. David formally proposes to create a formal liaison with MultilingualWeb-LT and nominate Arle Lommel to serve as the first XLIFF TC liaison on MultilingualWeb-LT (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201203/msg00091.html

On Mar-29 I move to have that vote.
Joachim seconded today.

Christian: proposal is to liaise with W3C WG or the MLW-LT project?
DavidF: the W3C WG
Christian: would imagine the W3C has rules for these liaisons
DavidF: W3C is clear for this. The WG has dependency to XLIFF in charter
Liaison from XLIFF TC -> WG is decided by TC.
Bryan: responsibility of Arle/davidF to make sure the liaison follows rules

b. XLIFF support in CAT tools Survey (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201204/msg00001.html)

Lucia started the new questionnaire
We have already some answers completed
Should get info from most no-show of previous round

Arle: anyone interested in LOD or MLW-LT workshop (second week of June in Dublin) should contact Arle.

=== 5/ Current XLIFF business

Note: moved XLIFF, TM, Glossary, Segmentation and Using other standards off current business agenda (assume they are covered on wiki proposed featutres and inline text SC). If my assumption is incorrect - please let me know.

--- 1. Normalized the state values in wiki http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201203/msg00045.html

Bryan: make sure to look at wiki for the changes.
Should help to get final approval later on.

--- 3. Proposed OASIS XLIFF TC liaison with MultilingualWeb-LT (David) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201203/msg00066.html

This one is done.

=== 6/ New Business


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