Re: [ebxml-bp] [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Duane,

Is that a rhetorical question?

I cannot comment on this on-the-record.  And I can't comment
on the CEFACT public list - because there is not one any more
(some say that's my fault, eh?).

Suffice to say - I think we would not be here working this in
OASIS if we were deliriously happy about the CEFACT
process.

As for the TC154 - I feel that's an issue for the OASIS board et al,
and not something I'd want to concern us or me directly.

Onward and upward.

Cheers, DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
To: <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:47 PM
Subject: [ebxml-bp] [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154


>   How do members of this list feel about this?
>
> Duane
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:17:48 +0100
> From: "Anders W. Tell" <anderst@toolsmiths.se>
> Reply-To: UN/CEFACT Core Component WG <uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org>
> Organization: Financial Toolsmiths AB
> To: UN/CEFACT Core Component WG <uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org>
> CC: UN/CEFACT TMG Business Processes WG
> <uncefact-tmg-bpwg@listman.disa.org>, UN/CEFACT TMG BPSS Editing Team
> <uncefact-tmg-bpss@listman.disa.org>, UN/CEFACT TMG UBAC Project Team
> <uncefact-tmg-ubac@listman.disa.org>, uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org
> References: <F2B40416-7D24-11D8-AF3A-000A958E399E@attglobal.net>
>
>
>
> The unexpected creation of this voting list and once again a rush
> decision raise several questions about
> transparency and procedure. I have no time to delibrate on these issues
> right now so Ill get back later on.
>
> One part of the proposed voting procedure that must change is:
> "No response from any voting members will be interpreted as a "yes" vote.
"
>
> No responce from a "not present members" must be counted as "not adding
> to the quorum" and not as Yes!
>
> There are serious issues regarding the BPSS that must be addressed re.
> the Secretariats view regarding ebXML.
> See
>
> thanks
> /anders
>
> Klaus-Dieter Naujok wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I am not sure were to start, so let me do so by stating that I had
> > planned to follow up with this item right after my return home from
> > Bonn, unfortunately I went off-line last week due to a death in the
> > family and just now am getting back to work.
> >
> > In Bonn, the CCWG put before the TMG plenary the following resolution:
> >
> > “In order to have all specifications within the ebXML framework within
> > ISO, We resolve to submit the Core Components Technical Specification
> > Version 2.01 to ISO TC 154 for fast-tracking as a Draft Technical
> > Specification.”
> >
> > This was approved by TMG and the request was passed on to the CSG and
> > UNECE secretariat to add it to the upcoming CEFACT plenary agenda so
> > that it can get final approval.
> >
> > In Bonn, the suggestion was made to also approve the ebXML BPSS V1.1
> > TS for fast-tracking to TC154. Since the BPWG did not meet nor had a
> > quorum, I was asked to pose the question to the voting members
> > electronically, which I am doing now.
> >
> > In addition to TMG members raising the request, a number of CSG
> > members, as well as the UNECE secretariat asked the same question,
> > should we not submit our other ebXML TS to TC154? Argument being "that
> > such action clearly demonstrates that UN/CEFACT still supports ebXML,
> > contrary to the perceptions frequently spread by various parties and
> > organizations".
> >
> > Normally, the process would be for the BPWG to agree to the resolution
> > first, and ones approved, the TMG voting members would be asked to
> > support this. HOWEVER, there is little time, the deadline for
> > submitting documents for "plenary approval" has long passed (before
> > the Bonn meeting), BUT because of the importance the CSG asked the
> > secretariat to make an exception to allow not only the CCTS to be
> > added but also the BPSS TS. The UNECE secretariat has agreed to the
> > request - however we must come to an agreement by this Friday to pass
> > on to the secretariat our approved request and the supporting document
> > (BPSS V1.1). Since all BPWG voting members are a subset of the TMG
> > voting members, there should not be problem doing this as a "single"
> > vote.
> >
> > Therefore, using the text from the CCTS and modifying it for the BPSS,
> > I pose the request that the TMG approve the following resolution:
> >
> > “In order to have all specifications within the ebXML framework within
> > ISO, We resolve to submit the ebXML Business Process Schema
> > Specification Version 1.1 to ISO TC 154 for fast-tracking as a Draft
> > Technical Specification.”
> >
> > The vote will close on Friday 26 March 2004 at 23:59 (any time zone).
> > No response from any voting members will be interpreted as a "yes" vote.
> >
> > The list is now open for any discussion on this item.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > -- 
> > Klaus-Dieter Naujok                         UN/CEFACT/TMG Chair
> > Global e-Business Advisory Council            Principal Advisor
> > Business: www.ge-bac.com        Personal: www.klaus.naujok.name
> > TMG: www.untmg.org                           BCF: www.unbcf.org
> > Fingerprint: 78D6 FFD4 0A9B B7DE C738  6F04 3FA1 B366 F4B8 5064
> >
> >
>
>
> -- 
> /////////////////////////////////////
> / Business Collaboration Toolsmiths /
> / website:       /
> / email:     /
> / phone:  +46 8 562 262 30          /
> / mobile: +46 70 546 66 03          /
> /////////////////////////////////////
>
>
>
>
> ---
> You are currently subscribed to the uncefact-tmg-ccwg listserve.
> To unsubscribe send an email to lyris@listman.disa.org with the
> following subject: Unsubscribe uncefact-tmg-ccwg
> If you do not receive confirmation of your unsubscribe request
> please notify postmaster@disa.org to report the problem.
>
>
> -- 
> Senior Standards Strategist
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://www.adobe.com
>
>
>