Re: [ebxml-bp] [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Marty,

I'd hardly be holding up US Corporate practice as a shining
light to the world to follow these days!!!

 ; -)

DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Sachs" <msachs@cyclonecommerce.com>
To: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
Cc: <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154


> The business of counting non-votes as "yes" seems a bit odd but one would
> have to check the UN/CEFACT charter to see if that procedure is
> allowed.  Bear in mind that in the US corporate annual-meeting world,
> counting non-votes (that is, not returning the proxy ballot) as agreement
> with management's position is standard practice.
>
> Regards,
> Marty
>
> At 12:47 PM 3/24/2004, Duane Nickull wrote:
> >  How do members of this list feel about this?
> >
> >Duane
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: Re: [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154
> >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:17:48 +0100
> >From: "Anders W. Tell" <anderst@toolsmiths.se>
> >Reply-To: UN/CEFACT Core Component WG
<uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org>
> >Organization: Financial Toolsmiths AB
> >To: UN/CEFACT Core Component WG <uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org>
> >CC: UN/CEFACT TMG Business Processes WG
> ><uncefact-tmg-bpwg@listman.disa.org>, UN/CEFACT TMG BPSS Editing Team
> ><uncefact-tmg-bpss@listman.disa.org>, UN/CEFACT TMG UBAC Project Team
> ><uncefact-tmg-ubac@listman.disa.org>, uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org
> >References: <F2B40416-7D24-11D8-AF3A-000A958E399E@attglobal.net>
> >
> >
> >
> >The unexpected creation of this voting list and once again a rush
decision
> >raise several questions about
> >transparency and procedure. I have no time to delibrate on these issues
> >right now so Ill get back later on.
> >
> >One part of the proposed voting procedure that must change is:
> >"No response from any voting members will be interpreted as a "yes" vote.
"
> >
> >No responce from a "not present members" must be counted as "not adding
to
> >the quorum" and not as Yes!
> >
> >There are serious issues regarding the BPSS that must be addressed re.
the
> >Secretariats view regarding ebXML.
> >See
> >thanks
> >/anders
> >
> >Klaus-Dieter Naujok wrote:
> >
> >>All,
> >>
> >>I am not sure were to start, so let me do so by stating that I had
> >>planned to follow up with this item right after my return home from
Bonn,
> >>unfortunately I went off-line last week due to a death in the family and
> >>just now am getting back to work.
> >>
> >>In Bonn, the CCWG put before the TMG plenary the following resolution:
> >>
> >>"In order to have all specifications within the ebXML framework within
> >>ISO, We resolve to submit the Core Components Technical Specification
> >>Version 2.01 to ISO TC 154 for fast-tracking as a Draft Technical
> >>Specification."
> >>
> >>This was approved by TMG and the request was passed on to the CSG and
> >>UNECE secretariat to add it to the upcoming CEFACT plenary agenda so
that
> >>it can get final approval.
> >>
> >>In Bonn, the suggestion was made to also approve the ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS
> >>for fast-tracking to TC154. Since the BPWG did not meet nor had a
quorum,
> >>I was asked to pose the question to the voting members electronically,
> >>which I am doing now.
> >>
> >>In addition to TMG members raising the request, a number of CSG members,
> >>as well as the UNECE secretariat asked the same question, should we not
> >>submit our other ebXML TS to TC154? Argument being "that such action
> >>clearly demonstrates that UN/CEFACT still supports ebXML, contrary to
the
> >>perceptions frequently spread by various parties and organizations".
> >>
> >>Normally, the process would be for the BPWG to agree to the resolution
> >>first, and ones approved, the TMG voting members would be asked to
> >>support this. HOWEVER, there is little time, the deadline for submitting
> >>documents for "plenary approval" has long passed (before the Bonn
> >>meeting), BUT because of the importance the CSG asked the secretariat to
> >>make an exception to allow not only the CCTS to be added but also the
> >>BPSS TS. The UNECE secretariat has agreed to the request - however we
> >>must come to an agreement by this Friday to pass on to the secretariat
> >>our approved request and the supporting document (BPSS V1.1). Since all
> >>BPWG voting members are a subset of the TMG voting members, there should
> >>not be problem doing this as a "single" vote.
> >>
> >>Therefore, using the text from the CCTS and modifying it for the BPSS, I
> >>pose the request that the TMG approve the following resolution:
> >>
> >>"In order to have all specifications within the ebXML framework within
> >>ISO, We resolve to submit the ebXML Business Process Schema
Specification
> >>Version 1.1 to ISO TC 154 for fast-tracking as a Draft Technical
> >>Specification."
> >>
> >>The vote will close on Friday 26 March 2004 at 23:59 (any time zone). No
> >>response from any voting members will be interpreted as a "yes" vote.
> >>
> >>The list is now open for any discussion on this item.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Klaus
> >>
> >>--
> >>Klaus-Dieter Naujok                         UN/CEFACT/TMG Chair
> >>Global e-Business Advisory Council            Principal Advisor
> >>Business: www.ge-bac.com        Personal: www.klaus.naujok.name
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> >>
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> Martin Sachs
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> Cyclone Commerce
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