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Subject: Re: [ekmi] Minutes :: EKMI Monthly TC Meeting - August 18, 2009
Tomas - you grossly misconstrue my comments, which had nothing to do with open-source (StrongKey is open source). Mary can correct me if I'm wrong here, but my point was this: for KeyMG to have a use statement that counts toward the number of use statements need to move to the next phase of development, it would have to either be an officially supported/sanctioned work of RedHat and/or PrimeKey (your respective member orgs), OR it would have to be adopted by them into a product (open source, closed source, whatever) and then they would have to issue use statements on that respective product. This point goes directly toward due process and protocol. It's not adequate to just go create an open-source library conforming to the draft standard - a member org has to issue a use statement indicating use of the library. -ben Anil Saldhana wrote: > It is only supportive for any standard to get as many statement of usage > from individuals, organizations (non-profit > & commercial) as possible. It shows that the particular standard in > question is not something that has been carved > out for fun. > > Given this, Oasis (and rightly so) tries to ensure that the particular > effort becomes a public standard only after getting > an endorsement from 3 entities (who are contributor level or higher in > Oasis membership) claiming *usage* of the standard. > This requirement not only dispels those standards that are created with > a lot of vested interest but also brings credibility to > the standards that become Oasis Public Standard. > > My opinion. > > Tomas Gustavsson wrote: >> Great, that does not seem to make any difference between open or closed >> source software. >> >> Regards, >> Tomas >> >> >> Mary McRae wrote: >> >>> Just to clarify, statements of use must be from OASIS Organizational >>> Members, not 'commercial vendors'. Anyone who is an OASIS Organizational >>> Member (meaning not an Individual or Associate Member) can issue a >>> statement of use. They do not need to belong to the TC. >>> >>> A Statement of Use is defined in the TC Process as follows: >>> "Statement of Use", with respect to a specification, is a written >>> statement by an OASIS Organizational Member stating that it is >>> successfully using or implementing that specification in accordance with >>> the conformance clauses specified in Section 2.18 >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#specQuality>, and >>> stating whether its use included the interoperation of multiple >>> independent implementations. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary P McRae >>> Director, Standards Development >>> Technical Committee Administrator >>> OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society >>> email: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >>> web: www.oasis-open.org <http://www.oasis-open.org> >>> twitter: fiberartisan #oasisopen >>> phone: 1.603.232.9090 >>> >>> Standards are like parachutes: they work best when they're open. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:49 AM, Tomas Gustavsson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> If that is the case I think OASIS have made a huge misstake. I hope >>>> someone from Oasis can answer this question? >>>> >>>> Discriminating open source software certainly does not seem worthy of >>>> an open standardization organization. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Tomas >>>> >>>> >>>> Benjamin Tomhave wrote: >>>> >>>>> A question on conforming implementations... don't they need to be from >>>>> commercial vendors to count toward the number required to move on with >>>>> the process? >>>>> Anil Saldhana wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Anil Saldhana wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> EKMI TC Monthly Meeting - August 18, 2009 (Tuesday) >>>>>>> 10:00am CDT/11:00amEDT/8amPDT/3:00pm UTC/5:00pm Oslo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Agenda >>>>>>> 1. Roll Call >>>>>>> >>>>>> Voting Members: >>>>>> Tomas (PrimeKey), Tim(CA) and Anil (Red Hat) (3 out of 5) - Quorum >>>>>> Reached >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. XSD Improvements >>>>>>> (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ekmi/200906/msg00014.html) >>>>>>> >>>>>> We will make the changes to the schema. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. WSDL >>>>>>> (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ekmi/200906/msg00015.html) >>>>>>> >>>>>> We will add it to the spec. >>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Discussion on Implementations >>>>>>> >>>>>> Anil created this open source project >>>>>> http://keymg.codehaus.org at the CodeHaus Foundation >>>>>> to create a conforming implementation. >>>>>> * The library will be LGPL licensed. Both Anil and Tomas >>>>>> are current owners of this project. >>>>>> - If you want to be added to this project, enroll at codehaus : >>>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/signup >>>>>> - Then please tell us about it. We can add you to the project in a >>>>>> role. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 5. Subcommittee Report >>>>>>> >>>>>> - Audit Guidelines SC : Put on hold as Ken Adler is unavailable >>>>>> (as per >>>>>> Ken). >>>>>> - Mobile SC: Put on hold until we get the v1.0 out >>>>>> - TCK SC: We will generate it as part of the aforementioned OSS >>>>>> project. >>>>>> >>>>>>> 6. 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