RE: [humanmarkup-comment] Base Schema - symbol

["Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@ingr.com>]

No, not a heart attack, but my initial drafts for 
the primary were based on the assumptions that 
experts would tear into it and offer suggestions 
for redesign.   We can do as you suggest, but I 
think we will have some problems later with 
the classes.

Saussure assumed that all semantic assignments were 
arbitrary.  I agreed with that until I looked into 
icons.  A signifier whose meaning is derived from  
resemblance to the thing it signifies is not 
arbitrary.

If we want to tie to emotions, I think Pearce 
comes closer to the model we need.   A sign 
system with no connections to the physical 
systems is essentially inert.  It has no 
source of energy.   It is good perhaps for 
the categorization of texts, but not much 
good for generative modeling.

Why are attributes quicksand?

len

-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]

I don't agree, but not because I don't think this is logically 
consistent, but because XML Schema attributes is a pit of quicksand I 
am desperately trying to avoid. I can live with humlIdentifierAtts 
and I could even live with humlCommIdentifierAtts. However, in terms 
of processing, if I had my way, we would only ever have elements with 
values for a clear set of datatypes, but that is not possible.

Also, I think we would open a big door into much more work than I 
have the capacity to handle if we do this. While I freely admit that 
I am emotionally aghast at the prospect, it isn't the emotion which 
is driving my opposition to this. It is the amount of retrofitting 
work this would take. I just don't have the capacity. It is taking 
all I can do to complete what we are doing. If we do this, we need to 
find someone who can do the work within OASIS because I don't have 
the capacity. I have basically given up my income-making work, not 
just due to this work, but because graphic design always takes a big 
hit in economic downturns, and I suspect that once history takes some 
of the margin of error out of the economic statistics for the last 
year and half we will find that we have had a stagnant economy at 
best and a recession, especially if you factor out non-discriminatory 
(necessities) consumer spending and a Real Estate market thriving on 
the lowest lending rates the fed can manage to sustain.

So, is it possible to construct something of a First Principle? Could 
we just make sign the basis of the semiotic process, which doesn't 
need the rest of our Primary Base Schema except as elements. We don't 
have a web language that fits it and we certainly do not have the 
accompanying structure to make procedures work for it within the 
existing structure of the web, but we also can't lose our XML Schema 
mentor.

I agree, in the beginning there is the sign and the perceiver, but I 
wouldn't put too much emphasis on Peirce. Saussure had a lot to say, 
too.

Ciao,
Rex

P.S. Len, are you trying to give me a heart attack? ;)