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Subject: Some remarks on the "Fieldmarks" proposal from Florian Reuter
Dear TC members, I did not see any further progress on the "Fieldmarks" proposal from Florian Reuter. Thus, I would like to give my remarks on this proposal with the hope that the work on the proposal will continue. In general I support the idea behind this proposal. It would provide a possible solution for the feature request given in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200710/msg00120.html and discussed on the mailing list in the following thread. Based on this feature request possible solutions had been discussed on the mailing list - see http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200711/msg00018.html and the following thread. At the end a certain proposal for this feature request has been withdrawn - see http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200801/msg00041.html - in order to provide something more general. According to this Florian Reuter created the first version of his "Fieldmarks" proposal on 2008-02-14 and had put it into our TC's wiki. He announces this wiki entry in our TC call on 2008-03-03 - see http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200803/msg00008.html I have to admit that due to lack of time I could not continue my work on this in the last months. But Florian did not lose the focus and brought it back to attention through his "Fieldmarks" proposal. Following are some remarks of mine, which I like to see solved: (1) Question to the proposer (already asked on 2008-07-14 in the TC call discussion of this proposal): What is the reason for the introduction of a new namespace "field" for the "Fieldmarks"? I currently see no reason for a new namespace. A definition for the new namespace is also not given in the proposal. I have no problem with the introduction of a new namespace, if there is a good reason for it. Please provide a reason and the definition for the new namespace "field". If there is no particular reason for this new namespace, I suggest to put the new elements and properties of this proposal into the namespace "text" - probably this would cause an adjustment of its names (e.g. field:type --> text:field-type). (2) It is stated in the proposal text that the "Fieldmarks" need to be properly nested. This is not assured by the current proposal. The reason for this is that the content of the proposed element <field:fieldmark> is paragraph-content and that the proposed elements <field:fieldmark-start> and <field:fieldmark-end> belong to paragraph-content. Thus, a certain <field:fieldmark> element could contain a <field:fieldmark-start> or <field:fieldmark-end> element, but no <field:fieldmark-end> respectively <field:fieldmark-start> element. Thus, overlapping of "Fieldmarks" is possible. In my honest opinion this needs to be fixed in the proposal. (3) On the one hand I like the generic approach which has been proposed, but on the other hand I am missing the sematic of certain "Fieldmark" types and its possible additional parameters. I think it is no good idea to leave everything completely open to the application's implementation regarding these "Fieldmarks". E.g., a certain "Fieldmark" type implemented by ODF supporting application A can not be supported by any other ODF supporting application. What I would like to see is that the ODF specification should provide the known use cases of "Fieldmarks" - e.g. the text input field and the checkbox which Florian Reuter already had implemented in a patch submitted to OpenOffice.org. Additionally the ODF specification should allow further unknown "Fieldmark" types in ODF documents, but it should be specified, how these unknown "Fieldmark" type are treated on import, editing, export, etc. We should also encourage the ODF implementors to submit their "Fieldmark" types to the ODF specification. Best regards, Oliver. -- ======================================================================= Sun Microsystems GmbH Oliver-Rainer Wittmann Nagelsweg 55 Software Engineer - OpenOffice.org/StarOffice 20097 Hamburg Germany Fax: (+49 40) 23 646 550 http://www.sun.de mailto:oliver-rainer.wittmann@sun.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering ======================================================================= Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (od) - OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS
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