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Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - Latest Editors WSRX Files (Latest WSRX.zip) uploaded


I would have to agree. A finite set of WS-Policy versions is preferable to a
open-ended set.

- gp 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anish Karmarkar [mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:20 AM
> To: Marc Goodner
> Cc: Christopher B Ferris; Ashok Malhotra; Doug Davis; Martin 
> Chapman; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Groups - Latest Editors WSRX Files 
> (Latest WSRX.zip) uploaded
> 
> I think changing the spec along these lines, i.e. allowing only 1.2 or
> 1.5 version of the policy would allow us to move forward 
> (with better interop than allowing any version of wsp). So +1.
> 
> -Anish
> --
> 
> Marc Goodner wrote:
> > I think we should address this the same way SP handled it, 
> allow reference to 1.2 or 1.5. That has a much more 
> complicated usage of Policy than what we have here. This 
> change would also permit an updated reference to the final 
> Rec or even a future revision as an errata rather than a full 
> revision of our own specs. I think we could still progress 
> the specs with this change.
> > 
> > --- Text updates
> > Add this text to the end of the paragraph in section 2 of 
> the WS-RM Policy spec and 3.4 of MakeConnection:
> > "The assertions defined within this specification have been 
> designed to work independently of a specific version of 
> WS-Policy. At the time of the publication of this 
> specification the versions of WS-Policy known to correctly 
> compose with this specification are WS-Policy 1.2 and 1.5. 
> Within this specification the use of the namespace prefix wsp 
> refers generically to the WS-Policy namespace, not a specific 
> version."
> > 
> > No text update is required for RM, it only mentions Policy 
> non-normatively. No assertions or usage of features is described.
> > 
> > --- Namespace prefix table updates
> > Strike wsp from the namespace prefix table of WS-RM Policy.
> > 
> > The wsp prefix is not in RM or MC.
> > 
> > --- References
> > Here are what the updated references would be for all three specs:
> > [WS-Policy] W3C Member Submission "Web Services Policy 1.2 
> - Framework", 25 168 April 2006.
> >                 
> > http://www.w3.org/Submission/2006/SUBM-WS-Policy-20060425/
> > 
> >                 W3C Candidate Recommendation "Web Services 
> Policy 1.5 - 171 Framework", 28 February 2007
> >                 
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-ws-policy-framework-20070228/ 173
> > 
> > [WS-PolicyAttachment] W3C Member Submission "Web Services 
> Policy 1.2 - Attachment", 25 April 2006.
> >                 
> > http://www.w3.org/Submission/2006/SUBM-WS-PolicyAttachment-20060425/
> > 
> >                 W3C Candidate Recommendation "Web Services 
> Policy 1.5 - 178 Attachment", 28 February 2007
> >                 
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-ws-policy-attach-20070228/
> > 
> > ---
> > There are no schema changes required for any of the specs.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anish Karmarkar [mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:26 PM
> > To: Christopher B Ferris
> > Cc: Ashok Malhotra; Doug Davis; Martin Chapman; 
> > ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Groups - Latest Editors WSRX Files (Latest 
> > WSRX.zip) uploaded
> > 
> > In that case, shouldn't the normative reference point to the CR 
> > version not the member submission? Or at least to the LC draft.
> > 
> > -Anish
> > --
> > 
> > Christopher B Ferris wrote:
> >> WS-Policy 1.5 Framework and Attachment specs are in Candidate 
> >> Recommendation status as of yesterday.
> >>
> >> Is that "not far enough along in the standards process"? 
> Basically, 
> >> there are two stages remaining.
> >> PR and REC. The CR phase is the Call for Implementations 
> phase. The 
> >> WG has identified exit criteria of 4 interoperating 
> implementations 
> >> of each of the features of the specs with the exclusion of
> >> 4 features that require only 2. As of this week, we have 2 
> published 
> >> endpoints that are interoperating on the set of interop test 
> >> scenarios defined for the first 3 rounds of the interop scenarios.
> >>
> >> To me, that suggests that the specs are far enough along in the 
> >> standards process to be referenced.
> >> The namespace is final (unless the specs revert to Working 
> Draft) in 
> >> the CR.
> >>
> >> When we went though the CR transition, it was pretty clear 
> that the 
> >> changes made to the specs since the Last Call were of a 
> >> non-substantive nature (e.g. no features added or 
> removed). The most 
> >> significant change was to the namespace itself.
> >>
> >> Must we go through another review period just to change a 
> reference 
> >> from the LC draft to the CR? I certainly hope not.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Christopher Ferris
> >> STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
> >> email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> >> blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
> >> phone: +1 508 377 9295
> >>
> >> "Ashok Malhotra" <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote on 03/01/2007
> >> 12:51:45 PM:
> >>
> >>  > Martin means CR.  WS-Policy CR was approved recently.  Perhaps 
> >> even yesterday.
> >>  >
> >>  > All the best, Ashok
> >>  >
> >>  > > -----Original Message-----
> >>  > > From: Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com]
> >>  > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:43 AM  > > To: 
> dug@us.ibm.com; 
> >> ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org  > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] 
> Groups - Latest 
> >> Editors WSRX Files (Latest
> >> WSRX.zip)
> >>  > > uploaded
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Sorry if this is a late comment, but the normative ws-policy 
> >> reference in  > > wsrmp seems inappropriate to me.
> >>  > > The charter says:
> >>  > >
> >>  > >   The TC will not attempt to define functionality 
> duplicating that
> >> of any
> >>  > > normatively referenced specification in the input
> >>  > >   WS-ReliableMessaging or WS-RM Policy specifications. If the
> >> referenced
> >>  > > specification is outside of a standardization
> >>  > >   process at the time this TC moves to ratify its 
> deliverables, or
> >> is not
> >>  > > far along enough in the standardization process,
> >>  > >   any normative references to it in the TC output 
> will be expressed
> >> in an
> >>  > > abstract manner, and the incarnation will be left
> >>  > >   at that time as an exercise in interoperability.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > I don't believe in this case the  member submission is "far 
> >> along enough"
> >>  > > since there is a Last Call version.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Cheers,
> >>  > >   Martin.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > >-----Original Message-----
> >>  > > >From: dug@us.ibm.com [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com]  > > >Sent: 
> >> Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:18 PM  > > >To: 
> ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org  
> >> > > >Subject: [ws-rx] Groups - Latest Editors WSRX Files 
> (Latest  > > 
> >> >WSRX.zip) uploaded  > > >  > > >  > > >The document 
> revision named 
> >> Latest Editors WSRX Files (Latest  > > >WSRX.zip) has been 
> submitted 
> >> by Mr. Doug Davis to the OASIS  > > >Web Services Reliable 
> Exchange 
> >> (WS-RX) TC document repository.
> >>  > > > This document is revision #44 of Latest WSRX.zip.
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >Document Description:
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >View Document Details:
> >>  > > 
> >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/document.php
> >>  > > >?document_id=22657
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >Download Document:
> >>  > > 
> >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php
> >>  > > /22657/Latest%20WSRX.zip
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Revision:
> >>  > > This document is revision #44 of Latest WSRX.zip.  
> The document 
> >> details  > > page referenced above will show the complete 
> revision history.
> >>  > >
> >>  > >
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