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Subject: Re: Fw: [chairs] public comment web form
Who should the moderator be? -Karl Rich Thompson wrote: > > Sorry, just noticed I had hit reply rather than reply all .... > ----- Forwarded by Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM on 09/05/2003 10:09 AM ----- > Rich Thompson > > 09/05/2003 10:08 AM > > > To: karl.best@oasis-open.org > cc: > From: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web formLink > <Notes:///8525626C006C32DD/32547D7F59F9E7E38525613200556E77/7BF0B20F52994DCC85256D98004BE491> > > > > I would suggest that the public lists are not normally moderated, but > that moving a list to a moderated status is the means of reigning in > abuse. Essentially this becomes a slap on the wrists for TCs and chairs > that tolerate or encourage such abuse. > > Rich Thompson > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> > > 09/05/2003 09:48 AM > Please respond to karl.best > > > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS > cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > Rich: > > I don't have a problem with encouraging public input into the technical > work of the TC. So in that sense I agree with what you've said. However, > as you say in #2 below, > > > ... Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are > > acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items > > is not. > > How do we stop discussions from taking place? What mechanism can we put > in place that allows input without discussion? You suggest > > > ... I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would > > allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused > > rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process. > > But that seems to imply a person (me?) acting as moderator to allow > comments to be sent but to stop things when it looks like a discussion > is starting up. The problem is, this takes a lot of time that I don't > have. Nor does anyone else on OASIS staff have the time to act as > moderator for any of our 200+ lists. > > I'm open to suggestions that I can pass on to the Board for refining the > Process. > > -Karl > > > > > Rich Thompson wrote: > > > > I see. I would be concerned that this may be a case of "throwing out the > > baby with the bath water". I say that not because the WSRP comment list > > has been heavily used (I'm sure I received more private emails asking > > questions as the spec editor than the comment list did), but rather > > because I see utility to having two distinct discussion forums: > > > > 1. Expert oriented - only TC members may post to this list and its > > primary purpose is to hold discussions on the technical issues before > > the TC. > > > > 2. Public oriented - Any subscriber may post to this list and its > > primary purpose is for comments and questions from the public on the > > work of the TC. Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are > > acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items > > is not. > > > > Clearly the main TC and SC email lists provide the function of #1 and it > > sounds like many of us thought the comment list provided the function of > > #2. Provided there is general agreement that this is important > > functionality, I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would > > allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused > > rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process. > > > > Rich Thompson > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > > > > "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> > > > > 09/05/2003 08:37 AM > > Please respond to karl.best > > > > > > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS > > cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > > > > > Yes, there have been TCs who have conducted technical discussions on the > > comment lists. Under the guise of getting technical input from a broad > > number of sources, they have actually reduced the incentive for people > > to join the TC. > > > > -Karl > > > > > > Rich Thompson wrote: > > > > > > So if I understand the design: > > > - There will no longer be a -comment email list one can subscribe to > > > - There will be a web form for submitting comments > > > - These comments will be emailed to the chair and appended to a > > > publically accessible archive > > > > > > This maintains accountability, but is a drop on the openness front. > > > Still accountable because anyone can go search the -comment > archive, but > > > less open as many fewer will do that than who subscribe to the > -comment > > > lists today. > > > > > > I guess I would back up and question why it is a problem for the > public > > > email list to be a discussion forum. Have there been instances where > > > this was distractive to the work of the TC or perhaps used > > > inappropriately by some members of the public? Other reasons > driving the > > > change? > > > > > > Rich Thompson > > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > > > > > > > "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> > > > > > > 09/04/2003 02:01 PM > > > Please respond to karl.best > > > > > > > > > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS > > > cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The submitted comment will be forwarded to the chair as well as put in > > > the -comment archive. So there will still be the same > accountability for > > > the comments received. > > > > > > -Karl > > > > > > > > > Rich Thompson wrote: > > > > > > > > One could always argue that the chair can forward the comment > with a > > > > reply to the TC mail list rather than a private response. I was > more > > > > concerned that this takes what was an open communication (posting > > to an > > > > email list) and turns it into a private communication (email to the > > > > chair). This seems to go against the open nature of OASIS. > > > > > > > > Rich Thompson > > > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > "Drummond Reed" <drummond.reed@onename.com> > > > > > > > > 09/04/2003 01:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <lauren@textuality.com>, > > <chairs@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > cc: "Gabe Wachob (E-mail)" <gwachob@visa.com> > > > > Subject: RE: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > > > I agree with Lauren. At least a limited form of public discussion > > seems > > > > like a valuable portion of what OASIS provides. What was the > board's > > > > thinking on this? > > > > > > > > =Drummond > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lauren Wood [mailto:lauren@textuality.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:02 AM > > > > To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > Subject: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > > > Karl wrote: > > > > > > > > * The TC's public comment list is replaced with a "means to collect > > > > public comments", which will be a web form. (This is to prevent the > > > > comment list from being used as a discussion list.) Comments > > > > collected by the web form will go to the chairs. I'm having the web > > > > forms built now and will announce to the comment lists when this > > > > change will take place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > > > how do we then ask clarifying questions, or make quick replies > (along > > > > the lines of "see section 2.1. in the spec - isn't that clear > > > > enough?" > > > > > > > > I can understand not wanting full discussions, but we often do need > > > > clarifying discussions to know what the comment provider really > > > > meant. And I'd rather not have that take place in private email. > > > > > > > > Lauren > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Lauren Wood, Textuality > > > > Chair, ER TC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the > > roster of > > > > the OASIS TC), go to > > > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgr > > > > oup.php. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the > > roster of > > > > the OASIS TC), go to > > > > > > > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ================================================================= > > > Karl F. Best > > > Vice President, OASIS > > > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > > > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ================================================================= > > Karl F. Best > > Vice President, OASIS > > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > > the OASIS TC), go to > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > > > > > > -- > ================================================================= > Karl F. Best > Vice President, OASIS > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > -- ================================================================= Karl F. Best Vice President, OASIS office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org
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