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Subject: Re: [cmis] Motion for approving the CMIS 1.1 Working Draft 08 as Committee Draft and submitting it for pubic review
Wow. Hmm. David, you've really given me something I'll need to think about here. I'll get back to you all on this. Really good points! /chet On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:24 AM, David Choy <david.choy500@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Chet, > > Thank you for your response, and welcome back. I certainly hope the Process > Committee can clarify this. > > It might make sense in a TC meeting to pass a motion to open an electronic > ballot. However, to do this by email would trigger many questions. Following > Robert's Rules, after the discussion of a motion the TC should vote on the > motion. But if the TC is to vote on the motion by email, then why wouldn't > the TC vote on the ballot question directly in the first place? This means > the TC should forget about the ballot and the motion, which would render > e-ballot a rather useless voting tool for a TC that conducts business by > email. On the other hand, if the TC does not need to vote on this motion, > then what is the purpose for this motion? Robert's Rules also impose strict > rules on what "the committee" can do and cannot do while there is a pending > motion. How would such rules apply to an email motion that is pending? > Should the TC suspend other ongoing discussions/activities according to > Robert's? If Robert's Rules do not apply here (or to email motion in > general), then there is a big hole in the TC Process that needs to be > covered. > > Cheers, > > David > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Chet Ensign <chet.ensign@oasis-open.org> > wrote: >> >> Hi David et al - >> >> Just a quick note on the change to the TC Process. The intention here >> wasn't to add to your work; the rules have always required a motion. >> It was simply to incorporate into the process a step that TCs >> previously had to adopt standing rules in order to do. >> >> Prior to the change, if TCs wanted to be able to make motions via >> email to start ballots, the TC had to adopt a standing rule that >> allowed it to do this. The TC Process read: >> >> "A motion to open an electronic ballot must be made in a TC meeting >> unless the TC has adopted a standing rule to allow this motion to be >> made on the TC's general email list. When such a rule has been >> adopted, motions made on the mail list must also be seconded and >> discussed on that list." >> >> Now making the motions by email is the default expectation. >> >> I will take back to the Process Committee your observation that having >> to make a motion to start a ballot at all seemed like an unnecessary >> extra step. >> >> Let me know if you have any questions on this. >> >> /chet >> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:05 PM, David Choy <david.choy500@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > I second these two motions. The motions are now open for discussion. >> > If we do not hear any concern or disagreement by this Friday, I shall >> > open >> > the two corresponding e-ballots. >> > >> > Background information: >> > A new version of the TC Process took effect on 1 August. It contains the >> > following new paragraph in the "TC Voting" section: >> > "A motion opening an electronic ballot must be made in a TC meeting or >> > on >> > the TC's general email list. Motions made on the TC's email list must >> > also >> > be seconded and discussed on that list." >> > As we proceed through the approval process for CMIS v1.1, we shall use >> > electronic ballot extensively and avoid calling TC meetings just to >> > conduct >> > a simple vote. The new TC Process now requires a formal TC motion to set >> > up >> > each e-ballot. This seemed a bit silly to me since, rigorously, each >> > motion >> > itself needs to be voted on too (thus a catch-22). Until I get this >> > clarified, we have to follow what the TC Process says. Otherwise, we >> > will be >> > told to "do it again correctly". >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Mueller, Florian >> > <florian.mueller02@sap.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear TC members, >> >> >> >> I would like to make the motion to approve the CMIS 1.1 Working Draft >> >> 08 >> >> as Committee Draft and to submit it for public review. >> >> >> >> Do the CMIS TC members agree that the Working Draft 08 for Content >> >> Management Interoperability Services (CMIS) Version 1.1 and all >> >> associated >> >> artifacts contained in [1] be approved as Committee Specification Draft >> >> 01? >> >> >> >> Do the CMIS TC members further agree that the public review draft >> >> version >> >> of Content Management Interoperability Services (CMIS) Version 1.1 and >> >> all >> >> associated artifacts contained in [1] be approved as Committee >> >> Specification Public Review Draft 01 and submitted to TC Administration >> >> to >> >> release for public review? >> >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> >> Florian >> >> >> >> >> >> [1] >> >> https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=46622 >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: cmis-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: cmis-help@lists.oasis-open.org >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> /chet >> ---------------- >> Chet Ensign >> Director of Standards Development and TC Administration >> OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society >> http://www.oasis-open.org >> >> Primary: +1 973-996-2298 >> Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 >> >> TC Administration information and support is available at >> http://www.oasis-open.org/resources/tcadmin >> >> Follow OASIS on: >> LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/OASISopen >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/OASISopen >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/oasis.open > > -- /chet ---------------- Chet Ensign Director of Standards Development and TC Administration OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society http://www.oasis-open.org Primary: +1 973-996-2298 Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 TC Administration information and support is available at http://www.oasis-open.org/resources/tcadmin Follow OASIS on: LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/OASISopen Twitter: http://twitter.com/OASISopen Facebook: http://facebook.com/oasis.open
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