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Subject: Re: [cti] CybOX Containers in STIX

RE: CybOX being optional…the thought was that you might want to say you saw something (e.g. an indicator) 150 times without providing detailed CybOX for what you had actually seen. It was mainly for the sighting use case vs. the observation w/o sighting use case.

I’ve noticed that our design approach for Observation/Sighting makes things consistent across like 4 different use cases, but the tradeoff is that when you look at it for any single one of those use cases it might appear to have some extra fields or weird features. IMO it’s probably a good thing (they all seem like important use cases) but it does mean we need to explain how it should work very well in documentation.


On 6/30/16, 3:52 AM, "Trey Darley" <trey@kingfisherops.com> wrote:

On 29.06.2016 15:25:59, Wunder, John A. wrote:
> Observation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F1c05GgYaJFV1Z04B8c_T3vEE-LRQTPExF24LvOQAsk/edit#heading=h.b2frlbuolfj

Please remind me why the `cybox` field is optional on a STIX
Observation. Seems like an Observation without a CybOX payload is

> Sighting: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F1c05GgYaJFV1Z04B8c_T3vEE-LRQTPExF24LvOQAsk/edit#heading=h.k017w16zutw

Looks good to me.

> Note that everything in the “cybox” key will be defined by the CybOX
> specification. In CybOX, that type is currently defined here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PSGv6Uvo3YyrK354cH0cvdn7gGedbhYJkgNVzwW9E6A/edit#heading=h.2p8taumnmgqi

If we go with directly embedding CybOX in the STIX Observation, then
that CybOX type definition will have to change. We may do away with
the CybOX Container (née ArgleBargle) altogether but we should still
define in CybOX what are the allowable top-level keys inside of a STIX
Observation's `cybox` field; currently this would be:

  * `objects` => array of type cybox-object (optional)
  * `actions` => array of type cybox-action (optional)

Does everyone agree that what is allowable inside the STIX
Observation's `cybox` field gets defined over in CybOX land?

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