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Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services
Duane,___________________________
I never said it was vaporware!
I just was stating there is nothing *interesting* here.
IBM has always looked to be middle of the road -
and rarely reaches to be wildly ahead of the curve.
Paying $2B for Rational was a huge gamble for them,
and MQ-Series can hardly be viewed as a
revolutionary product set - its been around for
15+ years - and is the benchmark in conservative
integration tools.
Why would I think this interesting, eh?
I know alot of those same ex-r's now working
on the Eclipse team too. ; -)
What I find interesting is technologies that
provide an open simple and agile infrastructure
that enables a broad and diverse marketplace.
MQ-series is an ocean liner - I'm looking for
something a little more nimble... ; -)
DW.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services
David:implemented?
Let's not be negative on this. We will likely be seeing more direction
in IBM and other companies tooling expanding from driving infrastructure
toward a broader view of the technical/developer's need. IBM is
increasingly providing a comprehensive set of both development time
tooling for developers and an open-standards based runtime expanding
beyond a traditional application server on all platforms. Their recent
foray into the process area of the stack is admirable IMO. A process
driven, service oriented architecture (re Joseph Chuisano's post) is
being developed and converging or embracing other ideas benefits
everybody. I happen to have friends who can rebuke your claims that it
is marketing fluff and would back up the fact it is real useable
software. The real proof will be in the delivered developer tools.
I was interested in opinions. I have noted that you believe it is
vaporware. Does anyone else care to comment?
Duane
David RR Webber wrote:
Duane,
Still un-news - of course they are providing a home-spun mix
of Rational-Rose UML and using that to generate BPEL
and talking up process integration.
And MQ-Series itself has a chunk of GUI configuration stuff
that is required by human direction - not to mention inputs
from FAX, IVR or similar servers.
My experience with these news puffs is - what you are
reading into this is nothing like what the sales guy who
wrote the puff is thinking - even though he uses words
you think are cues to stuff that relates to your work - they
are not.
I bet if you called a local IBM sales office and asked them
they'd tell you - yeah that human stuff is our IVR server
interface - or similar.
Cheers, DW.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services
I found it most interesting. The ability to incorporate "human or
manual" processes in the midst of a automated exchange, the runtime
monitoring and execution debugging, bringing Web services and BPEL
execution to its iSeries and zSeries servers, the fact that IBM is
moving its' entire WebSphere product line to a more process centric
methodology all interested me.
Ignore it if you want but the rest of this group might possibly consider
what the ramifications are to BPSS etc and at a larger level to ebXML.
I have my own story but am interested to know what others see.
Duane
David RR Webber wrote:
Duane,
This just seems like a product pitch for IBM - and an un-news item as
clearly they wrote the darn spec' why wouldn't they have it
Was there a specific "interest" item here? I did not see anything.--
DW.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:31 PM
Subject: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services
Interesting read....
IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services on iSeries in Q3 [good clear
article on some of the latest IBM websphere announcements]
BM's Software Group is bringing Web services and Business Process
Execution Language (BPEL) execution to its iSeries and zSeries
servers. IBM committed to deploying WBISF 5.1 on z/OS during the
second quarter of the year, and on OS/400 during the third quarter.
The product is already supported on Linux running on those two server
platforms.
http://www.midrangeserver.com/fhs/fhs041304-story03.html
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