Re: [ebxml-cppa] CPPA Version 1.05

[Tony Weida <rweida@hotmail.com>]

Duane,

You're addressing the wrong audience in your campaign against DUNS
numbers -- please remember that the CPPA spec doesn't require or recommend
them in any way whatsoever.

The spec simply enables a CPP owner to include a set of identifiers of their
own choice.

It would be perfectly reasonable for a party that already has a DUNS number
to include that identifier, among others, hoping that the information may
prove useful to some potential partner.  The decision to use a DUNS number
in their own profile is rightfully theirs.  If even one partner finds it
useful, that's great.

If the DUNS number doesn't suit you, simply ignore it and use one or more of
the other identifiers.

(If you have issues with DUNS numbers per se, you should really take that up
with D&B and / or the companies that choose to use DUNS numbers.)

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Nickull" <duane@xmlglobal.com>
To: "Tony Weida" <rweida@hotmail.com>
Cc: "CPPA" <ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org>; "'Ebtwg-Ccs (list)'"
<ebtwg-ccs@lists.ebtwg.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-cppa] CPPA Version 1.05


>
>
> Tony Weida wrote:
>
> > A PartyId element identifies the party itself.  Each party can have
multiple
> > PartyId elements.  DUNS is one very common way of identifying
businesses.
> > Therefore, "type=DUNS" is a fine example (among others) for the PartyId
> > element's type attribute.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> type = "DUNS" is a horrible example.   WHERE DO YOU LOOK IT UP?  Who
> decides who can use "DUNS" and who can't? What are the other enumerated
> values?  There is no mechanism for this available.  DUNS may be
> semantically meaningful to you becuase you are American.  It means
> nothing to someone in Nigeria or Pakistan.
> >
> > The PartyRef element identifies an external document with additional
> > information about a party -- its type attribute specifies the external
> > document's type.
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> Please give me an example that I can write code to access someone
> country.  All I want you to do is show us all how the CPP can relay all
> the information necessary that my code can grab this value and recognize
> it.  If you can show me that,  then I am happy.
>
> We tried to implement this in a way that we can discover context rules
> and also identify previously discovered trading parties.  At the end of
> a very frustrating experience,  we concluded that the v 1.0 spec did not
> meet the technical needs of ebXML.
>
> I am trying to relay the problems we discovered so it can be fixed.
>
> Duane Nickull
>
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