RE: [ebxml-jc] 1/12/2005: ebxml-jc Meeting Minutes 12 January 2005

["Dale Moberg" <dmoberg@cyclonecommerce.com>]

If you are asking about my remark, it was wondering whether an OASIS TC
would be approved for SOA architecture without very large software
groups, being on board with it. Just a pragmatic remark about stds org
politics given the huge investment those companies have made in
evangelizing WS.

So when TCs get approved, I was wondering whether there will be
discussion on what the scope should be, not on whether SOA itself might
be of interest.


 
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Monica J. Martin
Cc: 'ebxml-jc@lists.oasis-open.org'
Subject: Re: [ebxml-jc] 1/12/2005: ebxml-jc Meeting Minutes 12 January
2005

Why does SOA seem controversial?
Why would large companies want to push back?
-Matt

Monica J. Martin wrote:

> ebxml-jc Teleconference 12 January 2005
>
> Present:
> Breininger
> Durand
> Jones
> Moberg
> Martin
>
> Regrets:
> None
>
> Agenda
> 1. ebXML adoption initiative - and user community requirements 
> channeling (Durand)
>
> Durand: Postings occurred in December 2004 from Ed Dodds (who created 
> a Google user group). Group may be created to enable non-OASIS 
> members. Durand will follow-up with Dodds. Fujitsu has a marketing 
> expert that is available to be a chair. TC must be chaired by invested

> OASIS company rather than a consultant. List was active for 90 days.
> Martin: Handled through Jamie Clark?
> Durand: Yes. We don't have a list moderator.
> Martin: Could the Fujitsu expert serve as the moderator?
> Durand: Yes. That could be possible. We've not received comments on 
> charter draft.
> Breininger: That chair could be invited to be part of the ebxml-jc.
>
> Agreed by all.
>
> Moberg: Assistance is available from Joe Speed.
>
> 2. Follow-up on integration and functional separation between specs - 
> e.g. BPSS / MS for "receipts" (Martin)
>
> Martin: There have been meetings between v2.1 CPPA and v2.0 ebBP about

> alignment. Progress is being made.
> Jones: Will put on agenda for ebMS.
> Martin: What is v3.0 status?
> Moberg: Haven't gotten critical mass for ebMS F2F.
> Martin: Can we put this on next ebxml-jc meeting?
> Jones: Yes.
>
> 3. White paper
> (Jacques, can you set the baseline and send me what you have?) Durand 
> will send the white paper outline.
> Registry, CPPA, ebMS need to submit an outline.
>
> 4. Other events, InterOp demos (Durand/Martin update)
>
> Durand: Pim van der Eijk and Andy Moir are working on a project plan. 
> They want to set up interoperability event for OASIS conference in 
> Amsterdam in 2005. They may be vertical industry focused. OASIS is 
> looking for interop participants for other OASIS 
> standards/specifications. This timing is compressed
> and uncertain if they can coordinate such an event this quickly. Need 
> to determine ebMS vertical profile. Some choreography may also be 
> required.
> Martin: Ask Moir and vanderEijk to attend upcoming ebXML-jc. 
> Distribute latest plans to ebxml-jc.
> Durand: Draft test plan exists and is posted on ebXML-IIC site that 
> defines public and private events.
>
> 5. Other business
> a. ebSOA status and ebXML JC
> Martin: What is status?
> Breininger: There is still an ebSOA. Form new TC for higher level SOA 
> reference model. There would be separate liaising TCs. Someone will 
> take over as chair for ebSOA; there seems to be critical TC mass as 
> well. Will participate in both SOA and ebSOA. Suggest collaboration 
> between ebSOA, SOA and ebxml-jc.
> Moberg: SOA will not document ebXML architecture. It is relevant but 
> will not have an influence presumably. Some participants in ebSOA 
> didn't want to be constrained to ebXML.
> Durand: We are concerned about the direction being taken with SOA. We 
> will participate in ebSOA.
> Moberg: I am surprised other large companies are not pushing back on 
> an SOA TC.
>
> ACTIONS:
> MARTIN: Query Clark whether the list expires this month for 
> ebxml-adoption initiative.
> BREININGER, MOBERG, JONES: Provide outline for white paper for their 
> specification.
> DURAND: Query Fujitsu marketing expert about adoption initiative; 
> provide up-to-date outline to team.
> MARTIN: Ask Moir and vanderEijk to attend upcoming ebXML-jc. 
> Distribute latest plans to ebxml-jc.
> MARTIN: Query Clark re: ebSOA TC.
>
> Next meeting will be in two weeks if there is not an ebMS F2F (26 
> January 2005).
> Google Groups: http://groups-beta.google.com (couldn't find Dodds' 
> posting)
>
>
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