Re: [egov] OASIS E-GOV TC : ebXML Messaging BALLOT RESULT

[John.Borras@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk]

Jon

According to the TC Process rules, when
conducting an electronic vote we need a majority of TC voting members to
make a quorum and as we only had 15 out of 41 we were well short of a majority.
 The relevant extract is below.

Electronic Voting

TCs may conduct electronic ballots via the TC's general mail list or the publicly archived electronic voting functionality provided by OASIS. The minimum period allowed for electronic voting shall be seven calendar days, unless the TC specifies a longer voting period for a particular ballot. For the purposes of electronic voting, a vote is valid only when a majority of TC members who are eligible at the beginning of the vote have cast ballots, and a majority (or super majority, when required) of the ballots cast will decide the issue.
So we must re-run the election to try and reach quorum.  I hope this time we will be successful and we can move on.

John

jon.bosak@sun.com

13/02/2004 04:57

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Subject	Re: [egov] OASIS E-GOV TC :  ebXML Messaging BALLOT RESULT

I didn't vote on Graham's paper because I was taking time off from
email to recover from a long trip and assumed that it would meet
with no opposition -- an assumption that turned out to be correct.
I would guess that I was not alone in this.

The problem here lies not with the vote (which was obviously a
vote to approve the document -- 15 to 0 is a pretty clear
decision) but rather with the criterion used to establish the
outcome.  This was a decision calling for a simple majority, which
is defined as a majority *of those voting*.  By this criterion,
the question passed.

Instead, we appear to be requiring a majority of the entire group
to make a decision, which is quite unusual in a normal
parliamentary process such as the one we are supposed to be using
(Robert's) and is contrary to the process that would be used if we
were meeting in person.

I suggest that we declare this document approved and move on.

Jon

  From: John.Borras@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk
  Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:04:44 +0000

  It is with great regret that I have to tell you that  we did not reach
  quorum on the recent ballot on Graham Beaver's document.  Only 15 out of
  41 members took the time to vote.   I won't name and shame those who
  didn't vote.

  This I find deeply disappointing, firstly for Graham and the excellent
  effort he put into the document, and secondly for the future of our TC.
  This was our first ballot and we fell at the first hurdle.  That doesn't
  inspire confidence for our future work.   Hopefully this will turn out to
  be just teething troubles and once we all get the hang of voting then
  we'll be OK in future.   If not well.......

  I'm going to re-run this ballot and also put up a ballot on Eliot's
  Interoperability Services paper.   Please take the time to vote this time.


  John

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  <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It is with great regret that I have
  to tell you that &nbsp;we did not reach quorum on the recent ballot on
  Graham Beaver's document. &nbsp;Only 15 out of 41 members took the time
  to vote. &nbsp; I won't name and shame those who didn't vote.</font>
  <br>
  <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">This I find deeply disappointing, firstly
  for Graham and the excellent effort he put into the document, and secondly
  for the future of our TC. &nbsp; This was our first ballot and we fell
  at the first hurdle. &nbsp;That doesn't inspire confidence for our future
  work. &nbsp; Hopefully this will turn out to be just teething troubles
  and once we all get the hang of voting then we'll be OK in future. &nbsp;
  If not well.......</font>
  <br>
  <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm going to re-run this ballot and
  also put up a ballot on Eliot's Interoperability Services paper. &nbsp;
  </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><b>Please take the time to vote this
  time. </b></font>
  <br>
  <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">John</font>

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