[huml] Re: UpStage

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Title: [huml] Re: UpStage

Helen,

Thank you for your kind invitation. I reviewed the thread and grasped a basic understanding of what this exchange centered around and it seems largely a misunderstanding of goals and concepts, and that our efforts do not have a direct and clear intersection, but do share some common interests in various kinds of interesting new permutations of artistic expression available via the net. HumanML is a bit more centered on the task of clarifying communications in digital information systems, though that does not mean that it is uninterested in the arts. Quite the contrary, it was our interest in the arts that brought your work to our attention via the interests of one of our members and I can see why. I would like to thank you also for the clarification and I hope there has been no lasting misunderstandings that have developed.

No doubt our paths will cross again.

Ciao,

Rex

At 11:32 PM +1300 11/4/04, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:

> hi rex & james,
> thanks for your replies & your
> interest in UpStage, & for your further explanations about huml.
> at the moment i'm in the process of a series of meetings with the
> funders & partners of the initial development of UpStage &
> it's interesting seeing how people perceive it in relation to 3D type
> projects. one of the evaluators described UpStage as "a glorified
> chat room" - meaning this negatively - when the fact is that that
> is indeed what it is, & what we want it to be! even though we have
> created pretty much what we described in our proposal, people
> anticipate & want something impressive. i guess my job is to
> remind everyone of the creativity, interaction, & fun that can be
> had with something technically very simple.
>
> i don't know whether there is much for
> you to be interested in in UpStage, but i appreciate your thoughts &
> if you are interested i can give you a log in & a tour. we are
> having open sessions on the first wednesday of the month (we had one
> last night which was great fun) & we have a mailing list for
> announcements - let me know if you'd like to go onto it. it's only a
> couple of emails a month. also if you have any programmers in your
> organisation who are interested, the code is open source & is
> available on sourceforge for people to poke around in.
>
> h : )
>
> At 3:30 PM -0800 11/2/04, Rex Brooks
> wrote:
> > Thanks for posting, this,
> > James,
> >
> > I hope I can manage to get a free moment
> > to abosrb it more fully. When that will be is hard to say, since I
> > just got my head above water for the first time in several days just
> > now, and I am madly trying to catch up with things. I'm almost back on
> > track, and only about two weeks behind schedule, but the showstopper
> > is out of the way. I will tell folks about it someday. The good news
> > is that my XML 2004 project is back among the "things doable"
> > column. It is a good example of why the practice of "continuous
> > improvement" and "document everything" is so important
> > for our future projects both as a general principle and as regular
> > best practice.
> >
> > Thanks, Again, and I will try not to by
> > so cryptic moving forward.
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Rex
> >
> > At 11:18 AM -0600 11/2/04, James Landrum
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Helen Varley Jamieson,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your response, especially the clarifications and
> > > explanations about UpStage. It is never too late to respond to
> > > commentary, especially critical discussions like my previous posting,
> > > and we welcome your input.
> > >
> > > It is important to understand the context of my discussion, which is
> > > heavily oriented toward immersive 3D environments and related
> > > interactive applications, and with some emphasis on markup of avatars,
> > > etc., rather than more traditional digital video and webcam and video
> > > conferencing tools (other groups are working on markup for digital
> > > video). It was in that vein that I was not impressed with the UpStage
> > > technologies, which for that domain are very good, and I should have
> > > clarified that in my previous commentary.
> > >  Human Markup Language is designed to provide for markup (i.e.,
> > > tagging) of human behavior (speech, body movement, gesture, emotion,
> > > and for example, dance, etc.) as well as the underlying contextual
> > > cultural and social systems, i.e., beliefs and values, socially and
> > > culturally informed behaviors with some emphasis on communication
> > > systems and associated behavior, for example,  the wave of a hand
> > > (gesture) in one cultural has a significantly different meaning than
> > > the same gesture in another culture, and it is possible to identify,
> > > describe, and code for each and tag each unique behavior in a distinct
> > > manner.  This potentially provides researchers and others with a
> > > great tool set and data infrastructure for analysis of human behavior,
> > > with relevance to all fields of human study.
> > >
> > >  The OASIS HumanML Technical Committee is focused in several
> > > areas at the moment. Human Physical Characteristics Description Markup
> > > (e.g., Human anatomy, physiology, and taxonomic markup), Health Care
> > > and Emergency Services Management, Diplomacy and Conflict Resolution,
> > > among others.
> > > For more details, including downloadable presentations and papers,
> > > see
> > >  the OASIS Human Markup TC web site:
> > > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=humanmarkup
> > > HumanMarkup.org:
> > >  http://www.humanmarkup.org/
> > > Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>
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