RE: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting

["John Messing" <jmessing@law-on-line.com>]

Good points.

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
> From: John L Jones <jjones@arionzoe.com>
> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 3:52 pm
> To: John Messing <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
> Cc: Arshad Noor <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>, Mark Ladd
> <mladd@pria.us>,  'legalxml-enotary'
> <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia'
> <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>,  'Carol Geyer'
> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee Schur' <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, 
> "'Marc L. Aronson'" <maronson@notary.org>
> 
> 
> I wouldre-prioritize the list as:
>  
> + ALTA 
>   
> + MISMO 
>   
> + MBA 
>   
> + PRIA/NNA Conferences 
>  
> 
> As John M saysrecordable documents almost universallyrequire notarizations, plus they are moving toward electronic formats.Becausethe primary drivers will be those who create the documents and notarizethe documents I think the title and mortgage industries are the mostimportant. MISMO is important because ENML needs to be incorporated,either directly or by reference, into the industry specifications. Butindustry operations people and technology vendors must see the need aspart of the adoption process for anything to move forward. 
> 
> PRIA and the NNA reach subgroups with more tangential needs. WhilePRIA, like MISMO, is a standards setting body its primary constituency - county recorders - are consumers of notarizeddocuments. Because MISMO and PRIA are closely allied with regard tostandards adoption by the larger becomes adoption by the smaller.Whether or not county recorders avail themselves of the data deliveredvia ENML is immaterial. It is already in the recordable document whenthey get it because someone else created it. 
> 
> The NNAconference is helpful in building awareness among the notary signingagents as a potential adoption group not reached through the titleand mortgage banking industries (notaries in those industries arenotaries as a condition of employment and therefore adopt what theiremployers adopt). As a side benefit the NNA conference will reachcommissioners of notaries public (Notary Public Administrators).This is really more of a courtesy than a necessity.
> 
> I disagree that NPAs need to legislate or regulate this standard. Noris that a good thing. Their involvement to officially sanction ENMLwill delay adoption and likely cause significant changes as thespecification goes through the government sausage grinder in 50different states. They are as free to adopt ENML, or not, as any otherpublic or private stakeholder. ENML has advantages to them but I doubtmany will implement it soon. They're still struggling with basictechnology in their own offices, not to mention paralyzed or worse whento comes to deciding what to do about electronic signatures fornotaries. Giving them something else to get agita over is one morebarrier to electronic commerce. 
> 
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> John
> 
> 
> John Messing wrote: I think these are all good ideas but I think Mark Ladd has a point. I
> would prioritize efforts and money part from the ABA as follows:
> 
> 1. NASS
> 2. PRIA
> 3. NNA Conference
> 4. MISMO
> 
> The reason is this: real estate recording documents in the US almost
> universally have to be notarized, making the real estate recording
> industry a prime consumer of the standard. But the notary administrators
> need to approve the methods via regulations or legislation. So they need
> to be sold as well. MISMO concerns the banking interests that lend
> against the recorded mortgages so their buy-in is important as well.
> 
> The NNA Conference brings a lot of these different people together as
> well as the notaries themselves and foreign diplomats and technicians to
> discuss enotarization. So long as the NNA realizes that the ENML
> standard does not undercut but coexists with their proprietary certs,
> and can help expand the usefulness of them, I think a win-win situation
> can be created with the NNA.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
>   -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
> From: Arshad Noor <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>
> Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 11:24 am
> To: John Messing <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
> Cc: Mark Ladd <mladd@pria.us>, 'legalxml-enotary'
> <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia'
> <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, 'Carol Geyer'
> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee Schur' <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, 
> "'Marc L. Aronson'" <maronson@notary.org>
> 
> 
> No argument on the ISC/DE meetings, John; the ROI on presenting
> ENML to these groups - if they give us the time-slots - is huge
> with minimal investment (I live in the Bay Area anyway, so there
> is no cost to my presenting here).
> 
> Arshad
> 
> John Messing wrote:
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> 
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