Dee:
This is all the NPA has: http://nass.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=96
They are a section of NASS.
Marc A.
From: Dee Schur [mailto:dee.schur@oasis-open.org]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009
10:37 AM
To: 'John L Jones'; 'John
Messing'; legalxml-sc@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: 'Arshad Noor';
'legalxml-enotary'; 'laurent liscia'; 'Carol Geyer'; Marc
L. Aronson
Subject: [legalxml-sc] RE:
[legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
Hello all,
I.
Is
this another potential event activity, http://www.nationalnotary.org/conf2009/index.html?
Throughout this email I see the following many opportunities.
II.
NASS-NPA,
http://nass.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=299.
Marc put in the ask and their answer is below in his email, basically wait to
see if you are invited to speak. Would the MS want to do a booth anyway for
$500?
III.
Mark
also approached NPA; can you send me the link for this organization?
IV.
John
suggested Arshad to attend an ISC/DE meeting in California? Should I contact this group? If
so, please send contact information.
V.
ALTA,
http://www.alta.org/.
VI.
MISMO
– MISMO event, http://events.mortgagebankers.org/TECH2009/default.html.
VII.
MBA
- http://www.mortgagebankers.org/AboutMBA.
VIII.
PRIA
Conferences - http://www.pria.us/.
Please send feedback on these options. If we are looking for
speaking slots we need to shoot for the events that are later in the year.
Thanks,
Dee
Marc L. Aronson wrote:
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Arshad:
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Here is part of an email I wrote NASS about you being a speaker at
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NASS-NPA this summer. Below you will find their answer.
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I have also written the NPA directly, but have not received a response
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as of this time and date.
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Marc A.
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*My question:*
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>
I belong to a committee that wants to have a speaker at the NPA part
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of the Summer NASS meeting. I assume that anyone can come in and speak
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to the NPA section without any problem or fee as long as the NPA approves.
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This person/committee might want to set up a vendor booth (the
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organization is OASIS, a world wide technology organization). While
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you may not have determined your vendor fees for this summer yet, may
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I please have an example of what they are for this winter’s
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conference; that will be close enough for planning purposes.
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*Their answer:*
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If NPA invites you to speak this summer, that is the only approval you
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need. If you intend to stay for any of the conference beyond your day
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of the presentation, you would need to register. Registration fees
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for the summer conference will probably be around $900 for a corporate
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non-member (a business entity that is not a corporate affiliate of
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NASS). Exhibit booths at the summer conference usually run about $500.
>
From: John L Jones [mailto:jjones@arionzoe.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009
5:52 PM
To: John Messing
Cc: Arshad Noor; Mark Ladd;
'legalxml-enotary'; 'laurent liscia'; 'Carol Geyer'; 'Dee Schur'; 'Marc L. Aronson'
Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS
talk at Summer NASS Meeting
I would re-prioritize the list
as:
- ALTA
- MISMO
- MBA
- PRIA/NNA Conferences
As John M says recordable
documents almost universally require notarizations, plus they are moving toward
electronic formats. Because the primary drivers will be those who create the
documents and notarize the documents I think the title and mortgage industries
are the most important. MISMO is important because ENML needs to be
incorporated, either directly or by reference, into the industry specifications.
But industry operations people and technology vendors must see the need as part
of the adoption process for anything to move forward.
PRIA and the NNA reach subgroups with more tangential needs. While PRIA, like
MISMO, is a standards setting body its primary constituency - county recorders
- are consumers of notarized documents. Because MISMO and PRIA are closely
allied with regard to standards adoption by the larger becomes adoption by the
smaller. Whether or not county recorders avail themselves of the data delivered
via ENML is immaterial. It is already in the recordable document when they get
it because someone else created it.
The NNA conference is helpful in building awareness among the notary signing
agents as a potential adoption group not reached through the title and mortgage
banking industries (notaries in those industries are notaries as a condition of
employment and therefore adopt what their employers adopt). As a side benefit
the NNA conference will reach commissioners of notaries public (Notary Public
Administrators). This is really more of a courtesy than a necessity.
I disagree that NPAs need to legislate or regulate this standard. Nor is that a
good thing. Their involvement to officially sanction ENML will delay adoption
and likely cause significant changes as the specification goes through the
government sausage grinder in 50 different states. They are as free to adopt
ENML, or not, as any other public or private stakeholder. ENML has advantages
to them but I doubt many will implement it soon. They're still struggling with
basic technology in their own offices, not to mention paralyzed or worse when
to comes to deciding what to do about electronic signatures for notaries.
Giving them something else to get agita over is one more barrier to electronic
commerce.
------
John
John Messing wrote:
I think these are all good ideas but I think Mark Ladd has a point. I
would prioritize efforts and money part from the ABA as follows:
1. NASS
2. PRIA
3. NNA Conference
4. MISMO
The reason is this: real estate recording documents in the US almost
universally have to be notarized, making the real estate recording
industry a prime consumer of the standard. But the notary administrators
need to approve the methods via regulations or legislation. So they need
to be sold as well. MISMO concerns the banking interests that lend
against the recorded mortgages so their buy-in is important as well.
The NNA Conference brings a lot of these different people together as
well as the notaries themselves and foreign diplomats and technicians to
discuss enotarization. So long as the NNA realizes that the ENML
standard does not undercut but coexists with their proprietary certs,
and can help expand the usefulness of them, I think a win-win situation
can be created with the NNA.
Hope this helps.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
From: Arshad Noor <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>
Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 11:24 am
To: John Messing <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
Cc: Mark Ladd <mladd@pria.us>, 'legalxml-enotary'
<legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia'
<laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, 'Carol Geyer'
<carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee Schur' <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>,
"'Marc L. Aronson'" <maronson@notary.org>
No argument on the ISC/DE meetings, John; the ROI on presenting
ENML to these groups - if they give us the time-slots - is huge
with minimal investment (I live in the Bay Area anyway, so there
is no cost to my presenting here).
Arshad
John Messing wrote:
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