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Subject: Re: [oiic-formation-discuss] My perspective. display perferct?

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:45 PM, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/7/2 Peter Dolding <oiaohm@gmail.com>:
>> PDF is a complete pain in a but format developed on the old ps format
>> that was also a pain in but for editing.   Reason why other
>> typesetting programs exist that translate into PS and PDF.
>> If ODF turns into PDF pain to edit someone needs killing.   Latex is
>> still heavy used in a lot of places due to PS and PDF issues of
>> editing and it produces as good as documents and either PS or PDF can
>> but is also a lot nicer to edit.
> Heh, yes.
> Thomas and Rob explained in some detail why asking for layout-perfect
> from ODF is asking for a pony.
> Would it be reasonable for the interop TC to at least address the
> issue and why asking for this is asking for a pony? At least to get
> the issue dealt with.
I would say get it addressed.  It really comes down to how many
typesetting programs do we have to use.

Do we have to produce a ODF so everyone can view it.   Then rework it
in latex or something else like that to produce something stable for
long term printing and editing or do produce a non editable pdf so it
can always be printed the same.   Or do we fix ODF so swaping to Latex
or producing PDF is not required.  ODF just does it.

Word vs Publisher vs Latex vs...  List goes on is really pointless.
They are all producing documents all can be made produce the same
document.   Question is how dependable of production.  ODF highly
dependable of production why would you bother shiping a PDF if you
don't care if the user can edit it simply or not.

Its all about quality of document production.  Better the format more
every odf application can do.  Less need to switch across to latex or
other methods to get quality.  If ODF is high quality of its
typesetting there is no reason why it could not be used in combination
with latex to produce unlimited complexity documents like what was
done in OOolatex.

The big but if ODF is unstable in its quality of production it now
longer can be hybred with Latex and other typesetting system to
produce high quality document.

This issue is a direct impact on the future usability of ODF more than
worth the interop TC to get in the ear of the standard body about and
say address or some form of solution.

Yes typesetting is a really old thing.   In this day and age there is
really no valid reason for a documentation production format not to be
able to pass typesetting tests.  Ok might not be able to creative
features and need 3d party tools to do it but it still should pass for
everything it does.  If its standard cannot it need cleaning up.

Peter Dolding

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