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Subject: Re: [regrep] Describing ebXML Reg/Rep - observations from Santa Fe

I whole-heartedly support Dick's sentiments below.

In my experience with an open source implementation of ebXML Registry 
[1] I see a thriving and active user community of some 100 members. I 
see that just for this one implementation of ebXML Registry the user 
community represents:

-Major world governments  (several)

-Major fortune 500 companies

-Major verticals (several)

-Standards organizations

All of these organizations are using ebXML Registry to address real 
business use cases and needs. Most activities are in pilot stages. Some 
are building products based upon ebXML Registry.

Someone mentioned the VHS - BetaMax analogy earlier. I do not believe 
that BetaMax ever had the strong user adoption that ebXML Registry is 

My sense is that while UDDI is leading in vendor adoption and general 
"buzz" awareness / marketing front, ebXML Registry is quietly leading in 
the user adoption front. This ("Real cases - Real People") is exactly 
what Monica's user panel showed at the recent Open Forum conference that 
this thread is about.

I agree with what Erik Still and others have suggested. We should up the 
ante on our marketing and awareness and vigorously deliver ebXML 
Registry V3 with a splash. We also need to publish several Best Practice 
papers. Thanks Joe for taking the lead on some of them.

And I think we are on a roll towards that goal with Kathryn and Monica's 
presentations at Santa Fe.


Dick Brooks wrote:

> Anne,
> I know of several industry groups with ongoing ebXML projects, including:
> - Insurance (ACORD) both US and Europe
> - Chemical (CIDX)
> - Energy (IEC, Australia)
> - Automotive (STAR, et al)
> The "buzz" behind this support is that ebXML is technically superior 
> to "plain old SOAP", and meets critical needs (e.g. security, 
> reliability, context based routing) important to businesses. 
> I don't understand why you believe it's "unfortunate" that businesses 
> aren't limiting their use of ebXML for "private projects". 
> Unfortunate for who? 
> My clients are very happy with their ebXML E-Commerce solution - it 
> meets their needs.
> Dick Brooks
> Systrends, Inc
> 7855 South River Parkway, Suite 111
> Tempe, Arizona 85284
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>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Anne Thomas Manes [mailto:anne@manes.net]
>     Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:26 PM
>     To: Monica Martin; Chiusano Joseph; Matthew MacKenzie
>     Cc: Max Voskob; Still Erik R; OASIS regrep
>     Subject: RE: [regrep] Describing ebXML Reg/Rep - observations from
>     Santa Fe
>     I'm familiar with GM and DRIve. Sage is new to me. But you're
>     talking about
>     three installations. I also know about Korea and DealerSphere. I'm
>     sure you
>     can probably come up with a dozen or two more. Even so, that's not
>     what I
>     would call wide adoption. UDDI has hundreds of installations. Mostly
>     private -- but a few public systems, too, such as ISEC.
>     I think it's unfortunate that folks don't consider ebXML for private
>     projects. Perhaps that's an area to focus on.
>     Anne
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Monica Martin [mailto:mmartin@certivo.net]
>     > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:51 PM
>     > To: Anne Thomas Manes; Chiusano Joseph; Matthew MacKenzie
>     > Cc: Max Voskob; Still Erik R; OASIS regrep
>     > Subject: RE: [regrep] Describing ebXML Reg/Rep - observations
>     from Santa
>     > Fe
>     >
>     >
>     > Anne,
>     > Your overall assumptions about the state of Reg/Rep use may need
>     some
>     > updating - there are multiple governments, many implementations,
>     and
>     > plans either in work or under development (albeit more public than
>     > 'private').
>     >
>     > >>I think RegRep's biggest issue is that it's so closely
>     associated with
>     > ebXML, and when most people think of Web services, they think of
>     SOAP,
>     > not
>     > ebXML. Likewise, when they think of a Web services registry,
>     they think
>     > of
>     > UDDI.......
>     >
>     > But it's being much more widely adopted for private use than ebXML
>     > RegRep.>>
>     >
>     > Please, take a look at the brief we've made available on our web
>     site to
>     > get an introduction to the projects I reference.  The organizations
>     > taking on ebXML Reg/Rep are not typically driven by short-term
>     market
>     > focus, but providing public services, for example, with a long-term
>     > commitment.
>     >
>     > My point is that we need to educate ourselves and communicate
>     that to
>     > other potential users.
>     >
>     > Thanks for your comments and insight.
>     >
>     >
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