Re: [regrep] Reg/Rep & UDDI (was: Describing ebXML Reg/Rep ...)

[Matthew MacKenzie <matt@mac-kenzie.net>]

That's the rub -- I don't think a UDDI instance could replicate the 
contents of an ebXML Registry, but I think ebXML Registry could 
replicate the contents of a UDDI registry.  Granted, ebXML Registry 
will be weaker than UDDI for web service discovery because the UDDI API 
is oriented to that task specifically.

Politically, I think we could get away with incorporating web services 
discovery.  When UDDI came to OASIS, I tried to get some official 
cooperation to happen between the two groups.  The UDDI folks didn't 
seem too interested.

-Matt
On Friday, Jan 31, 2003, at 09:18 America/Vancouver, Berry, Nicholas F 
wrote:

> In this vein, I think it would be useful to have someone enumerate the 
> functionality that regrep would have to add in order to show what Matt 
> wants shown.  Could an ebXML registry have its contents replicated (at 
> least in the public registries)?  Is there something about the tModel 
> that is specific to UDDI?  Can the web service calls take place on 
> ebMS (ebXML Messaging Service) or only SOAP?  Finally, is there a 
> political reason for not trying to incorporate the functionality of 
> UDDI into ebXML registries?
>
> -Nicholas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:matt@mac-kenzie.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:04 PM
> To: OASIS regrep
> Subject: [regrep] Reg/Rep & UDDI (was: Describing ebXML Reg/Rep ...)
>
>
> This scenario would suggest to a user that UDDI is more broad
> functionality wise than regrep, and as Farrukh noted, further obfuscate
> the regrep image.
>
> What really makes sense to me is this group undertaking a few TC
> approved/supported whitepapers or technical notes showing how an ebXML
> Registry can do all that UDDI does _in addition_ to the typical regrep
> functionality, then flogging them to the developer community.  Maybe
> ebXML vendors will be able to appeal to the customers who don't blindly
> swallow their Microsoft rep's hollow claims about software such as
> UDDI.  Why would hundreds of companies need a web services registry?
> That boggles my mind.  Now, a registry like ebXML's that is nearly a
> content management system...I can see hundreds of deployments of 
> that...
>
> -Matt
>
>
> On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 08:49 America/Vancouver, Munter, Joel D
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Seeing ebXML based services "registered" in a UDDI registry
>> (semi-private or the public UBR) and therefore discoverable in a demo
>> may go a long way toward eliminating some confusion.
>>
>> The Technical note being drafted by Kibakura-san (Fujitsu) and being
>> discussed on the UDDI-spec dist list has come along way.  I recommend
>> that you all read this and comment as you need to.
>>
>> Joel Munter, Intel
>> desk: 480.552.3076
>> cell:  602.790.0924
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:13 AM
>> To: Matthew MacKenzie
>> Cc: Anne Thomas Manes; Max Voskob; Still Erik R; OASIS regrep
>> Subject: Re: [regrep] Describing ebXML Reg/Rep - observations from
>> Santa
>> Fe
>>
>> One way to help remedy this perception might be to present on
>> "Registering Web Services in an ebXML Registry" at some of the Web
>> services conferences, such as Web Services One.
>>
>> Some other things that might help are the Best Practices paper on
>> registering Web services in an ebXML Registry (currently in progress),
>> and perhaps in the future a high-level mapping between the 2 registry
>> architectures (such as "ebXML Registry Classification is *roughly*
>> equivalent to UDDI categoryBag", "ebXML Organization is *roughly*
>> equivalent to UDDI businessEntity", etc.)
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Matthew MacKenzie wrote:
>>>
>>> Anne,
>>>
>>> You're right on.  ebXML != Web Services, at least not general
>>> perception wise.  I'd like to see that changed somewhat, ebXML
>>> messaging is web services based, and ebXML registry is a web service.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 07:40 America/Vancouver, Anne Thomas
>>> Manes wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think RegRep's biggest issue is that it's so closely associated
>> with
>>>> ebXML, and when most people think of Web services, they think of
>> SOAP,
>>>> not
>>>> ebXML. Likewise, when they think of a Web services registry, they
>>>> think of
>>>> UDDI.
>>
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