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Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference

07 JUN 2011

Attendees

Present

Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Bryan Aupperle	IBM	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Diane Jordan	IBM	Group Member
Mike Kaiser	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle	Group Member
Jeff Mischkinsky	Oracle	Group Member
Sanjay Patil	SAP AG*	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

Roll 10/19 = 52% Quorate (not 2/3)

Revised roll 12/19 = 63%

Agenda accepted as posted

Approval of minutes from 2011-05-31

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42394/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-05-31.html

Resolution: Minutes from 2011-05-31 approved w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in

EricJ has been working on his AI but nothing to present yet

Administrivia

None

Exit Criteria

Anish & MikeE need to work on this

Updated 1.1 Assembly Testcases document - consider for CSD & PR

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42369/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases-wd032.odt
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42370/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases-wd032.pdf

Also new issue to address

ASEMBLY-263: Bring TestCases document up to the level of SCA Assembly CSD08 and address Conformance statement problems
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-263
Proposal is in JIRA and is implemented in the WD032 version linked above.

MikeE:

Reviews issue

Spec CSD08, Test Cases WD032

Minor editorial issues being addressed in new WD033 for TC

TA & TC now combined in one doc

Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-263 m=AnishK s-BryanA

No discussion no objections

Resolution: ASSEMBLY-263 opened w/o

No comments on Test Cases WD032

MikeE:

Will post Test Cases WD033 which addresses remaining issues

...can vote for approval next week

AnishK:

Describes TC admin process - doesn't think any changes will be necessary

...but will need entire package (including ZIP files)

...Need pointer to public URL's and all docs/files

Proposal for SCA 1.2 CSD01

AnishK's proposal:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201106/msg00007.html

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42415/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd05.zip

AnishK:

Reviews proposal

...Based on WD03, pulled in all resolved issues, schema names, and other editorial items

MikeK:

Reservations against making this a CSD as no Exit Criteria

...also should focus on 1.1 before 1.2

AnishK:

1.1 s/b priority, & has been - only considered 1.2 when 1.1 issues discussed

...wouldn't be PR only CSD

...Problem is that WD's are "fictions of editors" - need something with more "tangible" footing for 1.2

MikeE:

ASSEMBLY-246 should really be incorporated before making 1.2 CSD

(ASSEMBLY-246 is to incorporate WS-RA language and depends on Mike's AI)

AnishK:

Including ASSEMBLY-246 would be one less rev, but WS-RA is not actually a W3C reccommendation yet - only CR

MikeE:

We did discuss and agreed that CR was sufficient - could be waiting a while for full reccommendation

MikeK:

Time IS actually being spent on 1.2 at the expense of 1.1 (e.g. Exit Criteria)

...Want to avoid confusion (1.2 would be publically accessible)

...also to avoid "distractions" of 1.2

JeffM:

When would Mike's AI be complete?

JeffM noted for roll

MikeE:

Maybe next week, probably 2 weeks

JeffM:

All docs are public, but WD don't exist

...we should NOT be rasiing issues against doc that doesn't officially exist

MikeK:

There needs to be significant review form WD to CSD and this time should be spent on 1.1

AnishK:

AI was not a question of prioritizing 1.2 over 1.1

...also working on other (essential) 1.1 work (Test Cases)

...CSD is not a big deal (no public notification but doc is public - as are ALL docs)

MikeK:

Exit Criteria is the sticking point - shoudl devote all energies to getting that completed

...don't see any benefit in CSD for 1.2 and Exit Criteria could have impact on both 1.1 and 1.2

AnishK:

Problem is that 1.2 has no official standing and that should be corrected

JeffM:

What harm in approving CSD for 1.2? People still working on 1.2 issues (and 1.1) and that won't change

...CSD is not "finished product" and will change - but that's OK

...issue really seems about not having sufficient implementations

MikeK:

But that applies equally to 1.1 1nd 1.2

whoa there Anish!

FIVE MINTUES

MikeK:

If 1.2 goes to CSD thinks there would be more issues raised (due to more detailed review)

...need to avoid this potential distraction and focus getting 1.1 finished

time is basically up folks

JeffM:

Don't need implementations to go to CSD

TIME GENTS

AOB

straggler roll - JeffM

COB 9:02AM PDT

Eric - roll complete : http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=30270

Thanks Mike

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sca-assembly message

- DRAFT -

Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference

07 JUN 2011

Attendees

Present

Chairs

Scribe

Agenda:

Contents

Action Items

Resolutions

Minutes

Opening

Action Items

Administrivia

Exit Criteria

Updated 1.1 Assembly Testcases document - consider for CSD & PR

Proposal for SCA 1.2 CSD01

AOB

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