Minutes
agenda bashing
approval of 2008-05-01 minutes
May 1st minutes approved.
Anish:
suggesting changing minutes in-order to strike word 'possible' in May 1st minutes
May 1st minutes approved with change above
Action item review
AI #0021
Chairs - to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository
Dieter:
If anyone else can volunteer for creating the proposal
Danny:
suggested to close the action item with no action
Dieter:
Can produce a proposal for AI# 0021 May 29th
AI #0037 remains pending - RDDL files needs to be uploaded.
New issues discussion
Issue #21
Anish:
We have decided that we would put all attributes in the same namespace
Anish:
Opened Issue 21 to be separate from Issue 14.
<Sanjay>
m: close BPEL-21 with no action and add a comment to reference BPEL-20
Sanjay:
Moves to close issue 21 with no action with reference to Issue 20
Resolution: BPEL-21 closed with no action. Issue list to be updated to point 21 to issue 20.
Issue 20 discussion
Danny:
Issue 20 proposal is not complete.
Danny:
mustUnderstand is reflection of actual BPEL process: whether BPEL process can run that construct
if mustUnderstand = true then process cannot run if the BPEL processor cannot understand the attribute
If mustUnderstand = false the process will run with potential of runing an invalid process
Danny:
we should not make mustUnderstand = true but make it flexible so that BPEL process does not have to understand.
Dieter:
if BPEL variables as sca properties are not understood they will not be intialized
Anish:
Agrees with Danny, the must understand attributes must be left to the authors of BPEL process
Anish:
update the proposal to reflect when to set mustUnderstand = true/false
Danny:
It is would nice to update the proposal but it is already well defined in BPEL specifications.
<anish>
we have the following attributes: multiref, property, service, reference and intent in our NS
<Danny>
and there was silence...
<Sanjay>
sounds like we need a proposal
Anish:
go over each BPEL sca extension attributes so that we can figure out whether they are required or not
Anish:
reference can be required, but may not be attribute as it can define a value 0..1 implying that it needs to be wired
Sanjay:
Whether BPEL process understand is one way looking at it; other way looking at is to take into account the intent of the
developer of the BPEL process.
Anish:
mustUnderstand= true/false is more of guidance issue.
Sanjay:
Introduce a short paragraph to explain that it depends on the context user is running BPEL process
Danny:
mustUnderstand= true also restricts portability as BPEL process running in SCA context cannot be ported to non SCA environment
without editing the BPEL file and changing mustUnderstand = false.
Anish:
Providing some guidance for mustUnderstand attribute would be useful.
<Mike Edwards>
I think we are making far too much of this issue
Mike Edwards:
we should not require mustUnderstand = true.
Anish:
Danny to craft a proposal to resolve this issue
Danny moves to accept this proposal that is in JIRA
Action: Anish to amend Danny's proposal to resolve issue 20.
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