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Subject: Re: [xtm-wg] Re: Fixing language.xtm and country.xtm
[this message has almost nothing to do with the thread's subject, for those with less time on their hands.] Lars Marius Garshol wrote: > * Murray Altheim wrote: > | > | > And what I have been saying repeatedly is that I want to prepare a > | > proposal that will have 'suggested' status in time for the meeting in > | > Montreal. That way it can be approved there and adopted immediately. > | > | This is your fallacy. There can be no "immediate" adoption. The TC will > | create an agenda item to discuss *as part of an approved work item* any > | projects that have been submitted. [...] > > This just doesn't seem to work. You're correct. It doesn't work. You and I haven't met, so perhaps this is a difficulty due to email's lack of ability to convey emotion, etc. but since the beginning of this little foray I have felt bullied by you. You started this thread by saying that if I couldn't deliver according to your expectations, that somebody else "should be given this job." Your tone in that message described decisions I'd made in the language.xtm and country.xtm topic maps as wrong without regard or understanding as to why I made them. You didn't bother to engage in any discussion before declaring them wrong. These topic maps have some bugs, but they're not so wrong as you make out. For example, your understanding of xml:base is incorrect [1]. Some of your comments reflect a misunderstanding of the difference between a language and a language code (which is a profound difference). You seem so willing to rush ahead without any regard for anyone else that I already have little desire to work with you. Is that the way to start? Your manner and repeated insistence suggests that your desires and *your* sense of the community's agenda are more important than the feelings of those around you. You seem either oblivious to this, or you simply don't care. Do you have *any* diplomacy? Do I have to expect that this is your modus operandi and the way I'm always going to have to interact with you? I came out of my last experience working on the XTM specification ready to leave this community for elsewhere because I felt the way I and others had been treated was cavalier, unfair, rude, and unnecessary. If I am headed for another round of this, I'll certainly measure my involvement accordingly, and expect others will feel the same way too. As Steve Newcomb once said to me, my "moral sensibilities" have had a lot of influence on the outcome of the XTM effort. He also said I was at times "annoying as hell" (though I consider him a good friend and this shouldn't be misconstrued). Well, we all are annoying as hell and you should get used to dealing with us. Diplomacy at the start might be a good idea. If you want to be a team player, play like a team player. If you want to build things by yourself, go off and build them by yourself. This is a group of people, not a process. I keep harping about process, but I'm really harping about community. You're not building community very well, and you don't even seem all that interested. And before I go, let me clear one more fallacy. There is *absolutely no danger* that the incorrectness of the country.xtm and language.xtm topic maps will cause a problem for topic maps being currently authored. The importance of these two topic maps is not their direct functionality as XTM documents, but the establishment of a set of Published Subject Indicators. The PSIs for "English" and "Kurdish" will stay the same in an update. These topic maps could have had empty <topic> elements with the same set of IDs and be functional for what people need for authoring. There is no rush to update the internals of these, except the rush you perceive. The updates for three character codes will be available following a decision by the TC, and if someone has a need for a language not currently available, a workaround until the update would be simple to accomplish. And we're not that far from Montreal. You can spend a lot of energy trying to force people to conform to your desires, but you accomplish a lot more with honey, as they say. I've already spent too much time talking about talking about. In several short days you've managed to turn me away from any desire to spend more time on this, or dealing with you. This might suggest more than simply "Murray is impossible to deal with." Murray [1] Go look at the xml:base specification again before telling everyone things are wrong. The example following Section 3 is quite clear: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlbase/#syntax ........................................................................... 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