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Subject: Re: [ubl-csc] UBL meeting calendar
Anne Hendry wrote: > Hi Eduardo, > > You're right that an OASIS member wouldn't /need/ to look at it from > anywhere > else than as an OASIS member (although I certainly could see /wanting/ > to avoid > the rigamarole of going through all the Kavi UI pages to get the info I > want if I > could just do it in one) but this is not the case that I"m describing as > the problem. > > The case that is the problem is if an OASIS /non-member/ wants to look at > the calendar /as an OASIS non-member/ (which, really, is the only choice > they have, isn't it?) Ah, that was not clear. > As far as I can tell, an OASIS non-member cannot > see our SC calendar items in the TC calendar. In general, have you > recently > tried to view the UBL web site as a non-member? Of other OASIS pages? > It's very sparse. Don't we went people that are not members yet of UBL to > even know what's going on with this work? Yes, but whether publishing meeting times and phone numbers, including access codes, is something that we really want is certainly arguable. Recently, for instance, Karl opened the comments form for the DocBook TC, where anybody can post unmoderated comments, and the first thing received by that TC was spam. There is a fine balance between "openness" and being able to work in peace. > My thought is in preserving th > 'open-ness' of 'open' standards. The openness of open standards derives from opening the development of standards to anybody who wants to *join* a particular project, not from opening yourself to spamming robots. There is quite a lot of openness in opening one's archives to the world. But there must be a limit, I think. > Sometimes I'd like to be able to promote > our work by telling people who have not heard of it before to check out > this > or that discussion. Can't do it in a lot of cases now. Many of the > documents > referenced in our emails require a password. Much of the data we put > and see > on our internal pages is not actually viewable externally by a non-member. Well, bugs in the software should not be confused with policy ;) I think a lot of these problems will be solved once the Document Management part of Kavi is replaced with something else. Work on this, I understand, is in progress. > > -A > > Eduardo Gutentag wrote: > >> Right, one is for OASIS members, the other is for the rest of the >> world. Why would an OASIS member look at it as something other than >> an OASIS member? >> >> Anne Hendry wrote: >> >>> You can view the TC pages from the super-human members' area (go to >>> oasis, >>> click on 'members only', enter your password, go to 'my groups', >>> click on the ubl tc link) >>> OR you can view the TC page as a normal human from ourtside the >>> members' area. >>> (go to the oasis page and click on the ubl tc link, no password >>> required) >>> You get a completely different view on one than on the other. >>> >>> -A >>> >>> Eduardo Gutentag wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anne Hendry wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, never mind, I just discovered that if you are non a member >>>>> you can only view our calendar items from the individual SC pages >>>>> - they don't show up on the TC page unless you are viewing them >>>>> from within the Kavi system (from the member pages). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What other method is there to view the TC pages? >>>> >>>> I'm confused. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> So in order to make the meeting schedules viewable by non-members >>>>> we'd have to enter them separately into the TC calendar. >>>>> >>>>> I can try to get some help on this from the webadmin, though, >>>>> since it's an inconsistency within Kavi itself. >>>>> >>>>> -A >>>>> >>>>> Anne Hendry wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've found that if you simply enter your meetings into your own SC >>>>>> calendar and check the box that says you want to share it with the >>>>>> entire TC (not the 'mail to ...', just the 'share with ...' box) >>>>>> then the >>>>>> meeting automatically shows up in the TC calendar. This way >>>>>> each SC can manage only one calendar on it's own page and >>>>>> have it viewable by all. >>>>>> >>>>>> TTSC meetings have been visible there for a while, and I entered the >>>>>> next month's LSC, and the ISC meetings. Just now need Chairs, >>>>>> LC, NDR, CL, FP. Maybe even JPL and CNL? Are there any >>>>>> CM meetings going on? A few people have asked about this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon, I don't think there is a standing QA meeting any more. >>>>>> (when you thought today it was a new call starting it wasn't >>>>>> - there are no other standing meetings Friday's - it was just >>>>>> Stephen Green dialing in to try to catch any remainder of >>>>>> the joint meeting!) >>>>>> >>>>>> -A >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the >>>>>> roster of the OASIS TC), go to >>>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl-csc/members/leave_workgroup.php. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the >>>>> roster of the OASIS TC), go to >>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl-csc/members/leave_workgroup.php. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > the OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl-csc/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > -- Eduardo Gutentag | e-mail: eduardo.gutentag@Sun.COM Web Technologies and Standards | Phone: +1 510 550 4616 x31442 Sun Microsystems Inc. | W3C AC Rep / OASIS BoD
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