Re: [ubl-dev] UBL 2.1 and EU Standard Forms

Thanks, Oriol. I wouldn't wish proper statements on anyone! Have you ever attempted to get a proper statement? Or even tried to get simple facts from official channels? Even in this age of transparency it's usually like conducting séance with an Ouija board. At least there are places like this list where facts can be relayed freely, without fear or dressing or rehearsal... unless there's a shark circling.-)

My interest in this, by the way, is to learn whether and how pre-award EU procurement data has been made to adhere to open standards. That is my brief, more or less. And I had expected it to be trivial and uncontroversial. I mean, adherence/compliance with UBL/BII has been numerously declared (apparently with great pride) in relation to post-award procurement data. And everything is set up for pre-award data as well: UBL 2.1 included eNotices, BII2 was symmetrical to UBL, official (e-TEG) advisors said EU eNotices should be made complaint with open standards, and now you say BII3 was aligned with the new EU forms (or you nearly say it, anyway - is it really necessary for you to express as 'opinion' something about which the 'facts' can be known and repeated with authority by few other people?). The only thing that's missing is a formal declaration (one would assume, with great pride) that EU pre-award procurement data is compliant or even will be made compliant with UBL/BII. What went wrong, if not in the standards process then in my analysis?

Mark.

On 13 December 2015 at 08:42, Oriol Bausà Peris <oriol@invinet.org> wrote:

Dear Mark

I would not formulate it as you do. If you want a proper statement, I’d recommend you asking directly to the Publications Office.

My personal opinion is that the Publications Office made a contribution to the CEN BII3 Workshop in order to align the models defined in BII2 with the new EU forms. The new semantic models defined in BII3 are then aligned with the new EU Forms. During the technical work, a syntax binding to UBL 2.1 was made, identifying some gaps that UBL Pre-Award Subcommittee is addressing in order to fulfil the whole set of new requirements.

Best regards
Oriol

El 12/12/2015, a les 16.12, Mark Ballard <markjballard@googlemail.com> va escriure:

Dear Oriol, I am fortunate to meet you here. So would it be correct to assume the new EU forms were designed in respect of BII from the outset, and would it be correct to say the new forms are compliant or will be compliant with BII? Would it also be correct to assume the coincidence of BII3 and the new forms this year was a function of their collaboration? Than you for the link... I'm looking at it now.

Mark.

Oriol Bausà Peris <oriol@invinet.org> wrote:
Dear Mark

I’ve been involved in the CEN BII3 workshop as editor for the pre-award and we have been working with the Publications Office in order to implement the semantic model for the eNotification transactions (the most importants are the contract notice, prior information notice and contract award notice) and their syntax binding to UBL 2.1.

You can find all the CWA information here: http://www.cenbii.eu/deliverables/cen-wsbii-3/cwa-23452015-bii-notification-2/

The Syntax Implementation Guidelines zip file contains the documents where the bindings between the new forms and the UBL Schemas are described.

Best regards
Oriol Bausà

El 12/12/2015, a les 6.48, G. Ken Holman <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com> va escriure:

> I can answer your last question, that being there is a long-standing connection between CEN/BII and UBL regarding eTendering.
>
> In this CEN/BII Phase 2 deliverables page regarding e-Tendering:
>
> http://www.cenbii.eu/deliverables/cen-bii-2/cwa-16560-etendering/
>
> ... you can see for every transaction of every profile there is a cell pointing to a document that details the syntax binding from the information bundles of CEN/BII to the XML elements of UBL.
>
> An example is the first one in the list:
>
> ftp://ftp.cen.eu/public/CWAs/BII2/CWA16560/BII-SyntaxBinding-BiiTrns41-Qualification-UBL-v2_0_0.pdf
>
> In this CEN/BII Phase 3 deliverables page regarding eTendering:
>
> http://www.cenbii.eu/deliverables/cen-wsbii-3/cwa-23452015-bii-notification-2/cwa-34562015-bii-tendering-new/
>
> ... you can see in the overview that there are also syntax bindings for UBL. Higher up in that page there is available for download both a package of profiles and transactions, as well as an explicit e-Tendering UBL Syntax Implementation Guidelines document.
>
> As for your question regarding a link between EU's forms and CEN/BII, I have passed your question on to committee colleagues to ask if they can point you to the documents.
>
> I hope this start is helpful.
>
> . . . . . . . Ken
>
> At 2015-12-11 23:40 +0000, Mark Ballard wrote:
>> Would someone please tell me if the EU's new Standard Forms are compatible or whatever with UBL 2.1?
>>
>> UBL 2.1 claims input from CEN/BII in the creation of etendering forms of a similar variety as used under European regulations. But the European Regulations make no reference to UBL that I can find. The Regulations define standard forms for tender notices but don't even mention CEN/BII. They say merely that forms should be submitted through TED eSenders. But I can not find any TED claims for conformity with CEN/BII or UBL either.
>>
>> It would seem sensible to assume, but I can't. So I must ask: what line of authority or formal reference can be traced from the EU regulations on contract notices through TED, CEN/BII and on to UBL?
>>
>> Mark Ballard
>> Freelance journalist.
>
>
> --
> Check our site for free XML, XSLT, XSL-FO and UBL developer resources |
> Free 5-hour lecture: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/links/video.htm |
> Crane Softwrights Ltd. http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/u/ |
> G. Ken Holman mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com |
> Google+ profile: http://plus.google.com/+GKenHolman-Crane/about |
> Legal business disclaimers: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/legal |
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org
>

ubl-dev message