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Subject: [Fwd: [ubl-ndrsc] Minutes: 21 Jan 03, NDRSC teleconference]
Hi Tim, I think it was #2 at the end under 'New Business' where it was noted that the change would impact the model and instances. You may have already dealt with this through response to Mike's email, though. -A -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ubl-ndrsc] Minutes: 21 Jan 03, NDRSC teleconference Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:20:49 -0600 From: "Lisa-Aeon" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Reply-To: "Lisa-Aeon" <email@example.com> Organization: Aeon Consulting To: "UBL-NDR" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Attended: Mavis Cournane, Mark Crawford, Paul Thorpe, Sue Probert, Mike Grimley, Anne Hendry, Lisa Seaburg, Marion Royal, Gunther Stuhec, Arofan Gregory, Michael Dill. Regrets: Bill Burcham, Overall UBL Schedule: - We looked at the schedule, we do realize that we may have problems with getting the NDR document published at the 23 Feb 2004 deadline. Mostly the problem is resources: so, anyone who volunteered to write parts of the NDR document, please get their sections to Mark, please try by the end of the month. Newest Version "Draft M" will be available after Friday (Jan 23rd). 3. NEW BUSINESS - RT and DT Schema Module Adjustment ATG will not have a RT schema module, but they will have the DT schema module. Core DT simply being the base datatypes without. Some restrictions for unqualified identifiers will be done. MD: There is more emails, we have redundancies in the schema. Issue that Michael has addressed to Tim. Data Types issues, MC: If we get rid of RT module, create DT module, take the DT column in the spreadsheet and assume that is the qualified Datatypes. This will solve some problems that Michael is having in outputting the schema. We are also now using GEFEG tools to output the schema. If we are making any changes, then we would need to change the current NDR rules to go along with them. We believe these rules would improve the overall work enough to make it worth while. AH: If we didn't do this and ATG went on and did this, how would we characterize ATGs implementation in accordance to UBL. In general there implementation is not compliant. We will end up with two different schema modules. There are differences between type vs. element management. They are only going to have a ABIE reusable schema module, no BBIE module. They are also going to have either ASBIE or BBIE, in the content model of the root element. AH: Up to now we have developed everything without implementation testing. Now people are starting to work with this, rather than trying to force it one way, we should maybe adjust to what reality is doing and what is working. MC: This gets rid of a level of complexity. There is nothing in the CCTS about basing it on the Representation Terms it has always been the Data Types. GS: RT is part of the 11179 naming. MC: This puts our model closer to the CCTS and makes more sense. GS: We define out root element as a ABIE, including other ABIEs as ASBIEs. MC: The issue for NDR is do we accept this change and then what. AH: Does this become a rule, then maybe we should talk to the LCSC before we make these changes. MC: The person creating the schema would like this to happen. GS: We only change the name according to the CCTS, MC: I make a motion to Rename the current RT schema module to be unqualified DT schema module, change all rules related to RT schema to reflect that this is now the unqualified DT schema module and the relationship between CCTS and RTs and that this is a direct one to one relationship between the CCTs and these RTs. And the DT schema module name be changed to "Qualified DT schema module" and it reflects restrictions to unqualified DTs. The intention here is to simplify the schema modularity and the mapping between them and the extension of UBL by customizes. MG: Second, No Objections - Approved. 4. NEW BUSINESS - Identifiers Proposal from Gunther: create new schema module similar in nature to the code list module, for identifiers. We need a schema for the description for all of the country identifiers. Using the same rules for code lists we should create similar rules for identifiers. Gunther will create these rules and email them to this group. He is saying he wrote these rules already and we agreed these rules in Sept/Aug last year. That was the code list rules, now we will do the identifiers. Action Item: Gunther will rewrite the code list rules for Identifiers and email to the group. AH: I suggest that the ATG information be shared with the whole UBL, not just the NDR group. MC: Other than personal preferences that are driving some of the changes between the UBL and ATG rules, the fundamental difference is management by elements vs. management by types. AH: If anything in the rules is going to change that will change any of the other sub committees work, please have these changes in before the end of the month. It will affect everyones deadlines. LSCS - There was an action item for NDR to review the schema and there is a sub-team. Are there any issues and 1. The ASBIEs in the schema did not have global elements declared, this should just be fixed in the output of the schema. Mark will talk to Michael about this, if there is a problem with this, it has to be raised to the appropriate SCs. 2. Another issue is rule SSM7 about using the Object Class to differentiate the ASBIEs from ABIEs they are based on. Are we proposing to do this, the CCTS does actually say to include this. Our rules ask for minimal small elements names, This means every ASBIE name will include the Object Class. This will blow up the sizes of the instances. If we say "only when needed" it would be used to stop name collision. The impact will be on the schema and the instances. The model also gets impacted. Is there another solution to this, the following list is for intent only. Someone needs to talk to LCSC about this. AI: Sue and Lisa will talk to them about the naming in the model. There is no plan in LCSC to deal with this. AI: Mike Grimley to craft rule and send out to list. MG: I proposal that the Object Class be used to name the ASBIEs. AG: Seconded All: No objections - Approved for intent. Any Other Business - None Adjourned 12:10pm CST ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Lisa Seaburg AEON Consulting Website: http://www.aeon-llc.com Email: email@example.com Alternative Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Phone: 662-562-7676 Cellphone: 662-501-7676 "If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katharine Hepburn ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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