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Subject: Minutes of the Montreal UBL TC meeting, 9-13 August 2010
Montreal participants: please let me know if anything needs to be
added or corrected. The Tuesday and Friday of the meeting (10 and
13 August) consisted only of work sessions.
Jon
MINUTES OF THE UBL TC MEETING IN MONTREAL, 9-13 AUGUST 2010
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MONDAY MORNING 9 AUGUST -- OPENING PLENARY
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ATTENDANCE
In person:
Jon Bosak (chair)
Mavis Cournane
G. Ken Holman
Andy Schoka
Ken Vaughn
By phone:
Oriol Bausą
Peter Borresen
Anne Hendry
Tim McGrath (vice chair)
Ole Madsen
Zarella Rendon
SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
JB: Did not ask LSCs for reports this time because the
translation work is on hold until release of UBL 2.1.
UBL HUMAN INTERFACE SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH)
No recent activity due to other obligations. Three
co-chairs have come and gone over the years with hopes of
contributing on the input side only to withdraw after having
higher priority obligations trigger their resignation. The
invoice layout for the UN Layout Key is complete, and HISC
has input from Denmark for a handful of other layouts, but
there has been no demand from the user community to act on
that input.
JB: This belongs to a set of activities that we can focus on
following UBL 2.1 release.
ACTION: PLB to contact PEPPOL and BII to request forward
of HISC-relevant materials via the UBL comment list.
UBL SMALL BUSINESS SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH)
No recent activity and no apparent demand from the user
community for a small business subset.
Discussion: We could just point to the BII profile, though
this is a government agency view rather than a small
business view.
ACTION: JB to contact Tradeshift to see whether there is
commercial interest in developing an SBS.
UBL ADOPTION SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH)
Very little activity on ubl.xml.org. A few posts have been
made to the events, news, and forums, but most of the site
has been inactive. Hopefully the various section editors
will have more time to contribute after UBL 2.1 is out for
public review. Here are the current sections and their
section editors:
UBL RESOURCES - for information regarding understanding
and using the UBL standard, including specifications,
white papers, presentations, etc.
* Tony Coates
* Oriol Bausą
CUSTOMIZATIONS - for communities to post mini home-pages
linking to their work to bring attention to their
customized UBL deployments.
* Karsten Tolle
NEWS - timely information and announcements.
* Tim McGrath
EVENTS - a calendar of past and upcoming committee
meetings and public events.
* Jon Bosak
PRODUCTS - commercial, open-source and free products and
developer tools.
* Roberto Cisternino
SERVICES - commercial services.
* Martin Forsberg
FORUMS - for discussions and question/answer sessions.
* Mike Grimley
BLOGS - for journals related to UBL that are maintained
on this site.
* Asuman Dogac
ACTION: Section editors to review, revise, and promote
their sections after release of 2.1.
UBL SCHEMA GENERATION TASK GROUP (GKH)
The SGTG consists of Oriol Bausą, Tony Coates, and G. Ken
Holman. A release candidate for PRD1 has been created.
Many thanks to Arianna Brutti for all her work on the models
and to PSC and TSC chairs Peter Borresen and Andy Schoka for
directing the updates to be made.
UN/CEFACT REPORT (TM)
There may be changes coming to the Core Component library.
We should wait till after the UN/CEFACT Forum meeting in
September to further determine our mapping strategy.
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WEDNESDAY MORNING 11 AUGUST -- REVIEW OF NAMING CONVENTIONS
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ATTENDANCE
Jon Bosak (chair)
Mavis Cournane
G. Ken Holman
Andy Schoka
Ken Vaughn
Tim McGrath (vice chair, by phone)
Background: see
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201008/msg00005.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201008/msg00007.html
Contributions this cycle show that not all contributors are clear
on some aspects of the UBL modeling strategy related to CCTS
concepts, in particular the construction of Dictionary Entry
Names. These are modeling concepts, not schema concepts; thus
they are not included in the Naming and Design Rules, which only
govern schema generation, but they should be documented. These
concepts are implied by the Customization Guidelines but not
stated explicitly.
AGREED that we need to develop guidelines for contributors of
new documents.
ACTION: In the interval between PRD1 and PRD2, GKH and TM to
create a Modeling Guidelines document for new submissions. GKH
will identify the problems and produce an initial draft; GKH
and TM will revise together, then everyone will review.
AGREED that we will not try to fix the 80+ DEN errors
identified so far in PRD1 but rather take care of this in PRD2.
[The rest of this meeting was devoted to various editorial items
that have since been incorporated into the draft.]
AGREED to move the Closing Plenary to Thursday morning.
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THURSDAY MORNING 12 AUGUST -- CLOSING PLENARY
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ATTENDANCE
In person:
Jon Bosak (chair)
Mavis Cournane
G. Ken Holman
Andy Schoka
By phone:
Peter Borresen
Anne Hendry
Tim McGrath (vice chair)
2010 MEETING SCHEDULE
SPRING MEETING IN ANKARA
Proposed focus: UBL 2.1 CS and UBL 2.1 NDR. We are also
assuming a half-day visit with Turkish government agencies
using UBL.
Expected attendance: TM for sure; MC and GKH will try. We
expect about eight other attendees from Europe.
Accommodations: TM verifies that rooms for visitors are
available on campus (he has stayed there before). We will
request a room for 12 plus a breakout room.
AGREED that TM will chair and will make further
arrangements with Asuman.
AGREED that this meeting will take the place of the
meeting we've held in Montreal for the past several
years.
Schedule: We note European bank holidays Monday 2 May and
Monday 30 May 2010.
AGREED to suggest the weeks of 30 May and 6 June; if
neither of those work for Asuman, we will request another
week in June.
ACTION: JB to inform Asuman of our preferred meeting
dates and notify her that TM will be responsible for
further arrangements.
WINTER MEETING IN LIMA
Due to the late change in schedule for the closing plenary,
the group listed above was unable to meet by phone with UBL
LATAMRSC chair Kenneth Bengtsson, who has recently relocated
temporarily to Copenhagen. The group instead proposed some
tentative possible dates (the weeks of 31 January, 7
February, and 14 February 2011) pending a meeting with
Kenneth (see below) after noting that neither JB nor TM
would be available to chair and that GKH would need to check
on availability.
ACTION: PLB to check with possible sponsors for funding.
EDOCREATOR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
AGREED that we will add eDoCreator to the acknowledgements
using information provided by Asuman and add some informative
language about this in a methodology section.
COMMENT DISPOSITION
The plenary discussed and disposed of comments on UBL 2.0 as
follows:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201007/msg00000.html
(Stephen Green, 29 July 2010)
Disposition: Great idea. We are implementing it in the form
of Modeler's Guidelines and have assigned the task to GKH
and TM. We now also have a model checker developed by GKH
that's being used to keep on top of compatibility issues;
presumably backward compatibility is maintained through
adherence to the rules, but now we have automated checking
to back that up.
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00000.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00001.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00003.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00000.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00001.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00002.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00003.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00004.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00005.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00006.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00007.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00008.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00009.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00010.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00011.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00012.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00013.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00014.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00015.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201002/msg00000.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201003/msg00000.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201003/msg00001.html
(Stephen Green, September 2009 to March 2010)
Disposition: We note Stephen's comments on Test Assertion
Language and are glad to see people using other OASIS
Standards to verify our implementation.
Regarding calculation models (comments of October 2009): We
note that there are various implementations using various
business rules; these would need to be harmonized. The
question is, should the TC try to codify them? Many rules
would be more applicable to a subset than the full
specification, so the TC would have to arbitrate. This is
like code lists in that it involves value constraints. We
think that in general, it's up to customizations to
determine the calculation model. Some calculation rules
belong to the semantics -- they say how we mean something to
be used; but the place to specify semantics is in the
definitions.
AGREED that we should approach semantics via the
definitions and let groups like the Test Assertion group
interpret our definitions in a formal syntax.
AGREED that a key task for PRD2 is making these
definitions useful to people unfamiliar with UBL.
AGREED that we need to move the Localization Subcommittee
translation work on the definitions over to eDoCreator as
the data entry tool.
ACTION: JB to tell Asuman that we need to restrict access
to the translations.
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00002.html
(Sarunas Joncas, 16 September 2009)
Disposition: Recursive references appear throughout the UBL
data model as a byproduct of the modeling process. For
example, Consignments refer to Shipments, and Shipments
refer to Consignments. The model is simply accommodating
recursive references in the real world. This is not a
problem (though we keep getting questions about it).
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200811/msg00000.html
(Daniel Toffetti, 7 November 2008)
Disposition: We agree that the definitions contain many
characters (for example, ellipses) that are outside of the
ASCII set. We will be cleaning these up following PRD1.
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200805/msg00000.html
(Roberto Cisternino, 2 May 2008)
Disposition: This has been fixed.
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200611/msg00000.html
(Marc de Graauw, 12 November 2006)
Disposition: These comments are referred to the NDR Editors.
FIREFOX XML DISPLAY BUG
The authoritative version of the UBL documentation uses the
DocBook XML format for technical publishing. The DocBook file
(UBL-2.1.xml) and its associated stylesheets should be viewable
in any standards-compliant web browser, but in reality this is
currently known to work only with Internet Explorer. It does
not work with Firefox due to a namespace-handling bug. We have
learned (at second hand) that this bug has already been logged
but is currently lacking a suitable test case. We think we can
help with that.
ACTION: JB to follow up on this after PRD1 is out.
THANKS TO BALISAGE
AGREED that the UBL Technical Committee thanks the organizers
of the Balisage conference for their generosity in providing
conference facilities for this meeting.
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THURSDAY AFTERNOON DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MEETING IN LIMA
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PARTICIPANTS: Kenneth Bengtsson (by phone), Jon Bosak (chair),
G. Ken Holman, Andy Schoka.
AGREED that KB will pursue the idea of a conference in Lima
(probably an eCommerce conference including UBL) and keep us
informed of progress; we will consider the idea of an
associated UBL TC meeting later depending on what comes out of
that.
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