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Subject: Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 28 May 2014 14:00UTC



Atlantic teleconference:

  Oriol Bausa
  Peter Borresen
  Kees Duvekot
  G. Ken Holman (convener)
  Ole Madsen
  Andy Schoka

Pacific teleconference attendance:

  Kenneth Bengtsson
  G. Ken Holman (convener)
  Tim McGrath
  Andy Schoka


  Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events
    - no events to add at this time

  Review of Pacific call minutes

  Review of Atlantic call minutes

  Membership status review

    - voting status is determined by the following:
      - existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to
        maintain voting status
      - non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain
        voting status
    - committee officers (alphabetical):
      - Jon Bosak (secretary)
      - G. Ken Holman (co-chair)
      - Tim McGrath (co-chair)
    - current voting member list (alphabetical):
      - Oriol Bausa
      - Kenneth Bengtsson
      - Peter Borresen
      - Kees Duvekot
      - G. Ken Holman
      - Tim McGrath
      - Andy Schoka
    - what can we do to recruit more volunteers to the TC to share
      in the work?

  JIRA tickets
   - no action needed

  Web site maintenance (committee web site or UBL.xml.org)
   - new FAQ from Tim: http://ubl.xml.org/wiki/ubl-faq
   - the old FAQ needs to be removed and redirected:

International Data Dictionary

 - Ken has created starter UBL 2.1 IDD spreadsheets:


 - seeded with UBL 2.0 IDD translations:

   - UBL-IDD-2.1-DE - German
   - UBL-IDD-2.1-ES - Spanish (managed by Oriol Bausà)
   - UBL-IDD-2.1-IT - Italian (managed by Roberto Cisternino)
   - UBL-IDD-2.1-JP - Japanese

 - seeded with UBL 1.0 IDD translations:

   - UBL-IDD-2.1-KR    - Korean
   - UBL-IDD-2.1-ZH-CN - Simplified Chinese (managed by Mikkel Hippe Brun)
   - UBL-IDD-2.1-ZH-TW - Traditional Chinese (managed by Mikkel Hippe Brun)

 - starting from empty:

   - UBL-IDD-2.1-NL - Dutch (managed by Kees Duvekot)

 - we need managers for the languages for which
a manager has not yet been assigned
 - Ole will send to Ken the seeds for a Danish spreadsheet
   - Ole offered to be the manager of the spreadsheet
   - Peter offered to help contribute
 - Ken has contacted other candidate managers
for other languages (Norwegian and Swedish)
 - there should be interest from across Europe, so please spread the word
 - every month or two Ken will snapshot the IDD
worksheets and post them to Kavi as backup
 - committee members wanting to work on the
spreadsheets must give Ken the email address
associated with their Google Drive account, and
which language they wish to contribute to, in order to gain edit privileges
 - the prototyping JIRA ticket has been closed:


 - the project has been announced publicly on UBL Dev


 - a question has been raised regarding
different dialects of a given language:


   - Kenneth suggests that the Spanish IDD is sufficient for all uses:
   - Oriol will reach out to Kenneth regarding the use of the Alternative
     Business Terms to capture the differences in dialects that may be

Conformance to CCTS 2.01

 - Committee Note published:


European Directive on Electronic Invoicing

 - Tim has drafted a committee position congratulating the European Commission
   on their work
 - committee members are asked to review the following for any comments to
   incorporate at next week's meeting


The UBL TC would like to congratulate the
European Union on their recent Directive on
electronic invoicing in public
procurement[1].  We believe this marks a
significant step forward in rationalizing the
various non-standard activities currently being
promoted for electronic invoicing.

The Directive requires ?... a list with a limited
number of syntaxes which comply with the European
standard on electronic invoicing. That list
should not form part of the European standard on
electronic invoicing. The identified syntaxes
must already be widely and successfully used by
economic operators and contracting authorities.?

Therefore, it would appear likely that the work
of the CEN BII Workshop will be a key foundation
on which to develop the European standard for
electronic invoicing and that OASIS UBL be one of the syntaxes identified.

The combination of BII semantics and UBL syntax
has been successful in many government electronic
invoicing programmes such as OIOUBL (Denmark),
EHF (Norway), Svefaktura (Sweden), eFatura
(Turkey), PEPPOL  (Pan-European) and the European
Commission?s own e-PRIOR platform as well as
private sector initiatives such eBiz-TCF,
Tradeshift and SimplerInvoicing.  We see the new
Directive as accelerating the momentum around
these programmes on the expectation that whatever
the eventual European standard contains it will
support the BII community and be mapped to the UBL Invoice schema.

The strategy of the public sector formalizing
common invoicing information elements as a
standard and then complementing this with
recognized formats fits well into a technology
neutral, market-driven approach to
interoperability. It can be summarized as
?de-jure standards for semantics and de-facto
standards for syntax?.  This approach provides a
long term solution that should enable development
of a range of commercial viable solutions that
have market adoption and achieve the critical
mass of usage that realize the significant
benefits identified in using electronic invoices.

Inevitably this public sector policy will spill
out into the private sector as well.  Many of the
suppliers to the public sector are established
eBusiness organizations, typically using
electronic invoice Service Providers.   This
means that the EESPA (European E-Invoicing
Service Providers Association) Model
Interoperability Agreement (also based on BII and
UBL) will become an important complement the
Directive, ensuring that the private sector
requirements for electronic invoices are supported as well.

While this Directive is a European public policy
it also has significance beyond Europe.
Governments in other regions are also considering
their policies in this area and, recognizing that
many pubic sector suppliers are global
organizations, will hopefully take into
consideration the strategy taken by the EU.



Mapping between UBL and GS1/EANCOM
 - Kees asked if any member had any experience mapping between these two
 - specifically interested in ordering documents
 - Kees will check with Martin Forsberg

UBL TC next steps

  - what promotional issues need to be addressed?
  - UBL 2 is an organic thing that can be grown

  - what do we do for implementation support?
  - should we write a companion document of how to use the specification?
  - industry-specific documentation?
  - make it easier to find what is relevant without changing the actual

  - how about another UBL International conference in order to
    promote the release of UBL 2.1?  Can anyone host this conference?
      http://ublconference.com or http://ublconference.org
      - perhaps an event in North America and in Europe in 2014
        - Washington DC, Burlington MA (OASIS)?
        - http://www.exchange-summit.com/ - Barcelona - October 2014
        - BII - Paris in June?  Frankfurt in September?
        - Beijing June 2014 (JTC 1 SC32)?

  - how about a Twitter feed of UBL adoption and announcements?

  - what subject matter issues need to be addressed?
    - more transportation co-ordination issues
    - communications with transportation regulatory organizations

  - what technical issues need to be addressed?
    - are any schema changes needed?

  - what educational materials need to be made available?
    - how about YouTube videos regarding access to the UBL package?


 Next meetings:

   2014-06-04 Pacific 00:00UTC/20:00EDT, Atlantic 14:00UTC/16:00CEST/10:00EDT
   2014-06-11 No meetings this week
   2014-06-18 No meetings this week
   2014-06-25 No meetings this week
   2014-07-02 Pacific 00:00UTC/20:00EDT, Atlantic 14:00UTC/16:00CEST/10:00EDT

 Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future?  For
 privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.

 TC calendar:

 TC calendar iCal subscription link:



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