RE: [wsbpel] CEFACT Liaison Review

[Diane Jordan <drj@us.ibm.com>]

In the discussions around establishing
a liaison, and in the exact wording of the motion, there was no commitment
that the Oasis BPEL TC would do anything with or for the CEFACT group.
 The liaison is a communication channel.  Any plans to do anything
more than keep our group up to date on happenings in the BPWG would need
to be reviewed and voted on by the TC.   

This is the link to the email that explained
the proposed liaison to the TC: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/wsbpel/200308/msg00162.html
As you can see, the liaison was oriented
toward the BCF work.   We can consider whether it should be extended
to other activities if that seems appropriate.  

Regards, Diane
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David RR Webber <david@drrw.info> 09/22/2003 03:00 PM

To:        "Fletcher, Tony" <Tony.Fletcher@choreology.com>         cc:        David RR Webber - XML ebusiness <Gnosis_@compuserve.com>, BPEL OASIS <wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org>, jevdemon@microsoft.com, Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS         Subject:        RE: [wsbpel] CEFACT Liaison Review

Tony,

Actually I was seeing the EXACT opposite!

The BCF work was never mentioned when we voted on this - nor was even known
/ 
announced / released by CEFACT.

The idea (so I thought!) was that you were liaising with the BPM folks
vis 
their BPM catalogue work and how those instances could relate to BPEL.

Clearly the BCF is a completely different animal.  

I'm particularly troubled by the notion that CEFACT could be setting a
framework here and expecting OASIS to deliver technology to implement it.
That is clearly way way out of scope for BPEL V1.0.

If anyone should be talking to CEFACT about BCF - it is the OASIS TAG team.
Anything else at this point is potentially extremely prejudicial.

As a further point.  As OASIS BCM team liason - I feel strongly that
the OASIS 
BCM team work should be getting priority for our precious time and resources,
ahead of any work from CEFACT.

Apart from that - everything is just fine!

Thanks, DW.

Quoting "Fletcher, Tony" <Tony.Fletcher@choreology.com>:

> Dear David and others,
> 
> As the liaison person I am quite happy to have this topic on the agenda
> for the next main group teleconference.  I hope to up load the
> presentation that I made at the face to face on UN/CEFACT as an
> organisation, and the BCF ideas and program.
> 
> Just to clarify: I take my liaison to be with folks developing the
BCF
> and having regard to BCF work only.  So I have assumed it has
> specifically excluded other work, such as BPSS, unless that work is
> regarded as being part of the BCF (as the UMM is for instance).
> 
> We should note that, unless there have been changes at the Seoul meeting
> last week that Klaus-Dieter Naujok is the chair of the TMG, Christian
> Huemer the vice-chair and Dave Welsh the convenor of the BPWG (Business
> Process Working Group).  These are currently the relevant leaders.
> Anders Tell is the leader of the UBAC (Unified Business Agreements
and
> Contracts) Project, which may be interesting, but is not covered by
the
> liaison with the BCF work.
> 
> If David, or anyone else, has reports / knowledge of relevant
> developments last week at the UN/CEFACT meeting then I would appreciate
> if the would let me know either directly or via this list.
> 
> With thanks
> 
> Best Regards     Tony
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David RR Webber - XML ebusiness [mailto:Gnosis_@compuserve.com]
> Sent: 20 September 2003 14:11
> To: BPEL OASIS; Diane Jordan
> Subject: [wsbpel] CEFACT Liaison Review
> 
> 
> Diane,
> 
> Can you please add this topic to the agenda for the next meeting.
> 
> As proposer of the original motion to have a liaison with the CEFACT
BPM
> team headed by Anders Tell, and in the 
> light of the unforeseen events of the past few weeks since
> we made that decision, I believe we urgently need to 
> re-visit this.
> 
> I recommend that we change the status from liaison to observer, and
that
> we limit the scope of that to only the BPM work, and not beyond that.
> 
> Thanks, DW.
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