Re: [huml-comment] RE: Human Markup Language 1.0 considered harmfulREvisited

[MrPhillip <mr.phillip@cox.net>]

Rexx Wrote:
>I have refrained from going into particulars of my own pet project
>for HumanML:  Multi-User, Interactive, Real-Time, 3D-Virtual-Reality
>Environments with standard VRML/X3D/H-Anim representations of humans
>(avatars) capable of standards-based emotions and gestures in
>addition to the other basic human behaviors of walking, running, etc.

I don't mean to lurk and let everyone else do the hard work of defining what
it all means, but my interests are also in the above realm. That is why I
joined this list. I look forward to contributing/creating "standards-based
emotions and gestures" once I find out what possibilities are being
considered.

One thought I had was creating h-anim gestures that mirror common emoticons.
We already have a base set of 8 that are typically used.
hi, bye, yes, no, not, smile, frown, & hey.

There are, of course, many variations on expressing these simple actions.
Some avatars require their own unique set of gestures. e.g. My Frankenstein
walks with arms outstretched, and most folks don't do that. His "No" is more
like a "Fire Bad!" gesture. There are many ways of saying "hi", though this
is typically an arm wave of some sort.

Avatar Studio avatars are not h-anim compliant (they were ahead of the spec
at the time), so there may be a benefit of collecting a suite of those as a
separate resource.

So, I don't mind if the groups strays into this topic, in fact I welcome it.

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Mr. Phillip Sand Hansel II
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
To: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>; <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>;
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org>; <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>
Cc: "'William Anderson'" <band@acm.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:24 AM
Subject: [huml-comment] RE: Human Markup Language 1.0 considered harmful
REvisited


> Hi Again,
>
> Some short further thoughts.
>
> On the small group of self-appointed standards writers:
>
> This bothered me a lot until I started working with the one of the
> largest of such groups, the Web Services for Interactive Applications
> and Web Services for Remote Portals TCs, and I discovered that a core
> of about 7-10 individuals did most of the work and conducted most of
> the discussions. It turns out that this is the case for most TCs.
>
> The main difference is that the main participants in these other TCs
> are mostly paid by their companies, such as IBM, BEA, Sun and many
> lower-tier industry notables. Those TCs do have many more voting
> members, but our extended family of mailing list lurkers is probably
> wider in terms of the range of interests beyond simple ecommerce. I
> have discovered that such efforts are usually carried by the few, but
> O how I would love to have more participants. While we haven't done
> every possible outreach conceivable, we have attempted to bring more
> participants into this effort. It is a bit difficult when we are
> almost all volunteers and busy with the work itself as well as our
> lives outside this effort.
>
> I hope we hear from some other folks on this collection of withering
> criticisms.
>
> I have refrained from going into particulars of my own pet project
> for HumanML:  Multi-User, Interactive, Real-Time, 3D-Virtual-Reality
> Environments with standard VRML/X3D/H-Anim representations of humans
> (avatars) capable of standards-based emotions and gestures in
> addition to the other basic human behaviors of walking, running, etc.
>
> Of course the subcommittee I will be switching my efforts to will
> include the hard sciences of medicine and biology--including the
> newest work on biometrics. We will derive the working terms for these
> from the Primary Base Schema by extension and restriction, all of
> which will adhere to and/or include or import the accepted standards
> from these fields, as we adhere to name and address standards in the
> primary base vocabulary.
>
> Have a Happy Thanksgiving, all,
> Rex
> --
> Rex Brooks
> Starbourne Communications Design
> 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
> http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
>
>
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