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Subject: Corrected minutes of the Montreal UBL TC meeting, 9-13 August 2010
The heading "2010 Meeting Schedule" should read "2011 Meeting Schedule." Jon Jon Bosak wrote: > Montreal participants: please let me know if anything needs to be > added or corrected. The Tuesday and Friday of the meeting (10 and > 13 August) consisted only of work sessions. > > Jon > > MINUTES OF THE UBL TC MEETING IN MONTREAL, 9-13 AUGUST 2010 > > ================================================================== > MONDAY MORNING 9 AUGUST -- OPENING PLENARY > ================================================================== > > ATTENDANCE > > In person: > > Jon Bosak (chair) > Mavis Cournane > G. Ken Holman > Andy Schoka > Ken Vaughn > > By phone: > > Oriol Bausą > Peter Borresen > Anne Hendry > Tim McGrath (vice chair) > Ole Madsen > Zarella Rendon > > SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS > > JB: Did not ask LSCs for reports this time because the > translation work is on hold until release of UBL 2.1. > > UBL HUMAN INTERFACE SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH) > > No recent activity due to other obligations. Three > co-chairs have come and gone over the years with hopes of > contributing on the input side only to withdraw after having > higher priority obligations trigger their resignation. The > invoice layout for the UN Layout Key is complete, and HISC > has input from Denmark for a handful of other layouts, but > there has been no demand from the user community to act on > that input. > > JB: This belongs to a set of activities that we can focus on > following UBL 2.1 release. > > ACTION: PLB to contact PEPPOL and BII to request forward > of HISC-relevant materials via the UBL comment list. > > UBL SMALL BUSINESS SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH) > > No recent activity and no apparent demand from the user > community for a small business subset. > > Discussion: We could just point to the BII profile, though > this is a government agency view rather than a small > business view. > > ACTION: JB to contact Tradeshift to see whether there is > commercial interest in developing an SBS. > > UBL ADOPTION SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH) > > Very little activity on ubl.xml.org. A few posts have been > made to the events, news, and forums, but most of the site > has been inactive. Hopefully the various section editors > will have more time to contribute after UBL 2.1 is out for > public review. Here are the current sections and their > section editors: > > UBL RESOURCES - for information regarding understanding > and using the UBL standard, including specifications, > white papers, presentations, etc. > > * Tony Coates > * Oriol Bausą > > CUSTOMIZATIONS - for communities to post mini home-pages > linking to their work to bring attention to their > customized UBL deployments. > > * Karsten Tolle > > NEWS - timely information and announcements. > > * Tim McGrath > > EVENTS - a calendar of past and upcoming committee > meetings and public events. > > * Jon Bosak > > PRODUCTS - commercial, open-source and free products and > developer tools. > > * Roberto Cisternino > > SERVICES - commercial services. > > * Martin Forsberg > > FORUMS - for discussions and question/answer sessions. > > * Mike Grimley > > BLOGS - for journals related to UBL that are maintained > on this site. > > * Asuman Dogac > > ACTION: Section editors to review, revise, and promote > their sections after release of 2.1. > > UBL SCHEMA GENERATION TASK GROUP (GKH) > > The SGTG consists of Oriol Bausą, Tony Coates, and G. Ken > Holman. A release candidate for PRD1 has been created. > Many thanks to Arianna Brutti for all her work on the models > and to PSC and TSC chairs Peter Borresen and Andy Schoka for > directing the updates to be made. > > UN/CEFACT REPORT (TM) > > There may be changes coming to the Core Component library. > We should wait till after the UN/CEFACT Forum meeting in > September to further determine our mapping strategy. > > ================================================================== > WEDNESDAY MORNING 11 AUGUST -- REVIEW OF NAMING CONVENTIONS > ================================================================== > > ATTENDANCE > > Jon Bosak (chair) > Mavis Cournane > G. Ken Holman > Andy Schoka > Ken Vaughn > Tim McGrath (vice chair, by phone) > > Background: see > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201008/msg00005.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201008/msg00007.html > > Contributions this cycle show that not all contributors are clear > on some aspects of the UBL modeling strategy related to CCTS > concepts, in particular the construction of Dictionary Entry > Names. These are modeling concepts, not schema concepts; thus > they are not included in the Naming and Design Rules, which only > govern schema generation, but they should be documented. These > concepts are implied by the Customization Guidelines but not > stated explicitly. > > AGREED that we need to develop guidelines for contributors of > new documents. > > ACTION: In the interval between PRD1 and PRD2, GKH and TM to > create a Modeling Guidelines document for new submissions. GKH > will identify the problems and produce an initial draft; GKH > and TM will revise together, then everyone will review. > > AGREED that we will not try to fix the 80+ DEN errors > identified so far in PRD1 but rather take care of this in PRD2. > > [The rest of this meeting was devoted to various editorial items > that have since been incorporated into the draft.] > > AGREED to move the Closing Plenary to Thursday morning. > > ================================================================== > THURSDAY MORNING 12 AUGUST -- CLOSING PLENARY > ================================================================== > > ATTENDANCE > > In person: > > Jon Bosak (chair) > Mavis Cournane > G. Ken Holman > Andy Schoka > > By phone: > > Peter Borresen > Anne Hendry > Tim McGrath (vice chair) > > 2010 MEETING SCHEDULE > > SPRING MEETING IN ANKARA > > Proposed focus: UBL 2.1 CS and UBL 2.1 NDR. We are also > assuming a half-day visit with Turkish government agencies > using UBL. > > Expected attendance: TM for sure; MC and GKH will try. We > expect about eight other attendees from Europe. > > Accommodations: TM verifies that rooms for visitors are > available on campus (he has stayed there before). We will > request a room for 12 plus a breakout room. > > AGREED that TM will chair and will make further > arrangements with Asuman. > > AGREED that this meeting will take the place of the > meeting we've held in Montreal for the past several > years. > > Schedule: We note European bank holidays Monday 2 May and > Monday 30 May 2010. > > AGREED to suggest the weeks of 30 May and 6 June; if > neither of those work for Asuman, we will request another > week in June. > > ACTION: JB to inform Asuman of our preferred meeting > dates and notify her that TM will be responsible for > further arrangements. > > WINTER MEETING IN LIMA > > Due to the late change in schedule for the closing plenary, > the group listed above was unable to meet by phone with UBL > LATAMRSC chair Kenneth Bengtsson, who has recently relocated > temporarily to Copenhagen. The group instead proposed some > tentative possible dates (the weeks of 31 January, 7 > February, and 14 February 2011) pending a meeting with > Kenneth (see below) after noting that neither JB nor TM > would be available to chair and that GKH would need to check > on availability. > > ACTION: PLB to check with possible sponsors for funding. > > EDOCREATOR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT > > AGREED that we will add eDoCreator to the acknowledgements > using information provided by Asuman and add some informative > language about this in a methodology section. > > COMMENT DISPOSITION > > The plenary discussed and disposed of comments on UBL 2.0 as > follows: > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201007/msg00000.html > (Stephen Green, 29 July 2010) > > Disposition: Great idea. We are implementing it in the form > of Modeler's Guidelines and have assigned the task to GKH > and TM. We now also have a model checker developed by GKH > that's being used to keep on top of compatibility issues; > presumably backward compatibility is maintained through > adherence to the rules, but now we have automated checking > to back that up. > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00000.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00001.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00003.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00000.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00001.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00002.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00003.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00004.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00005.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00006.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00007.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00008.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00009.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00010.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00011.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00012.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00013.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00014.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00015.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201002/msg00000.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201003/msg00000.html > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201003/msg00001.html > (Stephen Green, September 2009 to March 2010) > > Disposition: We note Stephen's comments on Test Assertion > Language and are glad to see people using other OASIS > Standards to verify our implementation. > > Regarding calculation models (comments of October 2009): We > note that there are various implementations using various > business rules; these would need to be harmonized. The > question is, should the TC try to codify them? Many rules > would be more applicable to a subset than the full > specification, so the TC would have to arbitrate. This is > like code lists in that it involves value constraints. We > think that in general, it's up to customizations to > determine the calculation model. Some calculation rules > belong to the semantics -- they say how we mean something to > be used; but the place to specify semantics is in the > definitions. > > AGREED that we should approach semantics via the > definitions and let groups like the Test Assertion group > interpret our definitions in a formal syntax. > > AGREED that a key task for PRD2 is making these > definitions useful to people unfamiliar with UBL. > > AGREED that we need to move the Localization Subcommittee > translation work on the definitions over to eDoCreator as > the data entry tool. > > ACTION: JB to tell Asuman that we need to restrict access > to the translations. > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00002.html > (Sarunas Joncas, 16 September 2009) > > Disposition: Recursive references appear throughout the UBL > data model as a byproduct of the modeling process. For > example, Consignments refer to Shipments, and Shipments > refer to Consignments. The model is simply accommodating > recursive references in the real world. This is not a > problem (though we keep getting questions about it). > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200811/msg00000.html > (Daniel Toffetti, 7 November 2008) > > Disposition: We agree that the definitions contain many > characters (for example, ellipses) that are outside of the > ASCII set. We will be cleaning these up following PRD1. > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200805/msg00000.html > (Roberto Cisternino, 2 May 2008) > > Disposition: This has been fixed. > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200611/msg00000.html > (Marc de Graauw, 12 November 2006) > > Disposition: These comments are referred to the NDR Editors. > > FIREFOX XML DISPLAY BUG > > The authoritative version of the UBL documentation uses the > DocBook XML format for technical publishing. The DocBook file > (UBL-2.1.xml) and its associated stylesheets should be viewable > in any standards-compliant web browser, but in reality this is > currently known to work only with Internet Explorer. It does > not work with Firefox due to a namespace-handling bug. We have > learned (at second hand) that this bug has already been logged > but is currently lacking a suitable test case. We think we can > help with that. > > ACTION: JB to follow up on this after PRD1 is out. > > THANKS TO BALISAGE > > AGREED that the UBL Technical Committee thanks the organizers > of the Balisage conference for their generosity in providing > conference facilities for this meeting. > > ================================================================== > THURSDAY AFTERNOON DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MEETING IN LIMA > ================================================================== > > PARTICIPANTS: Kenneth Bengtsson (by phone), Jon Bosak (chair), > G. Ken Holman, Andy Schoka. > > AGREED that KB will pursue the idea of a conference in Lima > (probably an eCommerce conference including UBL) and keep us > informed of progress; we will consider the idea of an > associated UBL TC meeting later depending on what comes out of > that. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >
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