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Subject: Corrected minutes of the Montreal UBL TC meeting, 9-13 August 2010


The heading "2010 Meeting Schedule" should read "2011 Meeting Schedule."

Jon

Jon Bosak wrote:
> Montreal participants: please let me know if anything needs to be
> added or corrected.  The Tuesday and Friday of the meeting (10 and
> 13 August) consisted only of work sessions.
> 
> Jon
> 
> MINUTES OF THE UBL TC MEETING IN MONTREAL, 9-13 AUGUST 2010
> 
> ==================================================================
> MONDAY MORNING 9 AUGUST -- OPENING PLENARY
> ==================================================================
> 
> ATTENDANCE
> 
>    In person:
> 
>       Jon Bosak (chair)
>       Mavis Cournane
>       G. Ken Holman
>       Andy Schoka
>       Ken Vaughn
> 
>    By phone:
> 
>       Oriol Bausą
>       Peter Borresen
>       Anne Hendry
>       Tim McGrath (vice chair)
>       Ole Madsen
>       Zarella Rendon
> 
> SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
> 
>    JB: Did not ask LSCs for reports this time because the
>    translation work is on hold until release of UBL 2.1.
> 
>    UBL HUMAN INTERFACE SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH)
> 
>       No recent activity due to other obligations.  Three
>       co-chairs have come and gone over the years with hopes of
>       contributing on the input side only to withdraw after having
>       higher priority obligations trigger their resignation.  The
>       invoice layout for the UN Layout Key is complete, and HISC
>       has input from Denmark for a handful of other layouts, but
>       there has been no demand from the user community to act on
>       that input.
> 
>       JB: This belongs to a set of activities that we can focus on
>       following UBL 2.1 release.
> 
>          ACTION: PLB to contact PEPPOL and BII to request forward
>          of HISC-relevant materials via the UBL comment list.
> 
>    UBL SMALL BUSINESS SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH)
> 
>       No recent activity and no apparent demand from the user
>       community for a small business subset.
> 
>       Discussion: We could just point to the BII profile, though
>       this is a government agency view rather than a small
>       business view.
> 
>          ACTION: JB to contact Tradeshift to see whether there is
>          commercial interest in developing an SBS.
> 
>    UBL ADOPTION SUBCOMMITTEE (GKH)
> 
>       Very little activity on ubl.xml.org.  A few posts have been
>       made to the events, news, and forums, but most of the site
>       has been inactive.  Hopefully the various section editors
>       will have more time to contribute after UBL 2.1 is out for
>       public review.  Here are the current sections and their
>       section editors:
> 
>          UBL RESOURCES - for information regarding understanding
>          and using the UBL standard, including specifications,
>          white papers, presentations, etc.
> 
>              * Tony Coates
>              * Oriol Bausą
> 
>          CUSTOMIZATIONS - for communities to post mini home-pages
>          linking to their work to bring attention to their
>          customized UBL deployments.
> 
>           * Karsten Tolle
> 
>          NEWS - timely information and announcements.
> 
>           * Tim McGrath
> 
>          EVENTS - a calendar of past and upcoming committee
>          meetings and public events.
> 
>           * Jon Bosak
> 
>          PRODUCTS - commercial, open-source and free products and
>          developer tools.
> 
>           * Roberto Cisternino
> 
>          SERVICES - commercial services.
> 
>           * Martin Forsberg
> 
>          FORUMS - for discussions and question/answer sessions.
> 
>           * Mike Grimley
> 
>          BLOGS - for journals related to UBL that are maintained
>          on this site.
> 
>           * Asuman Dogac
> 
>          ACTION: Section editors to review, revise, and promote
>          their sections after release of 2.1.
> 
>    UBL SCHEMA GENERATION TASK GROUP (GKH)
> 
>       The SGTG consists of Oriol Bausą, Tony Coates, and G. Ken
>       Holman.  A release candidate for PRD1 has been created.
>       Many thanks to Arianna Brutti for all her work on the models
>       and to PSC and TSC chairs Peter Borresen and Andy Schoka for
>       directing the updates to be made.
> 
>    UN/CEFACT REPORT (TM)
> 
>       There may be changes coming to the Core Component library.
>       We should wait till after the UN/CEFACT Forum meeting in
>       September to further determine our mapping strategy.
> 
> ==================================================================
> WEDNESDAY MORNING 11 AUGUST -- REVIEW OF NAMING CONVENTIONS
> ==================================================================
> 
> ATTENDANCE
> 
>    Jon Bosak (chair)
>    Mavis Cournane
>    G. Ken Holman
>    Andy Schoka
>    Ken Vaughn
>    Tim McGrath (vice chair, by phone)
> 
> Background: see
> 
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201008/msg00005.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201008/msg00007.html
> 
> Contributions this cycle show that not all contributors are clear
> on some aspects of the UBL modeling strategy related to CCTS
> concepts, in particular the construction of Dictionary Entry
> Names.  These are modeling concepts, not schema concepts; thus
> they are not included in the Naming and Design Rules, which only
> govern schema generation, but they should be documented.  These
> concepts are implied by the Customization Guidelines but not
> stated explicitly.
> 
>    AGREED that we need to develop guidelines for contributors of
>    new documents.
> 
>    ACTION: In the interval between PRD1 and PRD2, GKH and TM to
>    create a Modeling Guidelines document for new submissions.  GKH
>    will identify the problems and produce an initial draft; GKH
>    and TM will revise together, then everyone will review.
> 
>    AGREED that we will not try to fix the 80+ DEN errors
>    identified so far in PRD1 but rather take care of this in PRD2.
> 
> [The rest of this meeting was devoted to various editorial items
> that have since been incorporated into the draft.]
> 
>    AGREED to move the Closing Plenary to Thursday morning.
> 
> ==================================================================
> THURSDAY MORNING 12 AUGUST -- CLOSING PLENARY
> ==================================================================
> 
> ATTENDANCE
> 
>    In person:
> 
>       Jon Bosak (chair)
>       Mavis Cournane
>       G. Ken Holman
>       Andy Schoka
> 
>    By phone:
> 
>       Peter Borresen
>       Anne Hendry
>       Tim McGrath (vice chair)
> 
> 2010 MEETING SCHEDULE
> 
>    SPRING MEETING IN ANKARA
> 
>       Proposed focus: UBL 2.1 CS and UBL 2.1 NDR.  We are also
>       assuming a half-day visit with Turkish government agencies
>       using UBL.
> 
>       Expected attendance: TM for sure; MC and GKH will try.  We
>       expect about eight other attendees from Europe.
> 
>       Accommodations: TM verifies that rooms for visitors are
>       available on campus (he has stayed there before).  We will
>       request a room for 12 plus a breakout room.
> 
>          AGREED that TM will chair and will make further
>          arrangements with Asuman.
> 
>          AGREED that this meeting will take the place of the
>          meeting we've held in Montreal for the past several
>          years.
> 
>       Schedule: We note European bank holidays Monday 2 May and
>       Monday 30 May 2010.
> 
>          AGREED to suggest the weeks of 30 May and 6 June; if
>          neither of those work for Asuman, we will request another
>          week in June.
> 
>          ACTION: JB to inform Asuman of our preferred meeting
>          dates and notify her that TM will be responsible for
>          further arrangements.
> 
>    WINTER MEETING IN LIMA
> 
>       Due to the late change in schedule for the closing plenary,
>       the group listed above was unable to meet by phone with UBL
>       LATAMRSC chair Kenneth Bengtsson, who has recently relocated
>       temporarily to Copenhagen.  The group instead proposed some
>       tentative possible dates (the weeks of 31 January, 7
>       February, and 14 February 2011) pending a meeting with
>       Kenneth (see below) after noting that neither JB nor TM
>       would be available to chair and that GKH would need to check
>       on availability.
> 
>       ACTION: PLB to check with possible sponsors for funding.
> 
> EDOCREATOR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
> 
>    AGREED that we will add eDoCreator to the acknowledgements
>    using information provided by Asuman and add some informative
>    language about this in a methodology section.
> 
> COMMENT DISPOSITION
> 
>    The plenary discussed and disposed of comments on UBL 2.0 as
>    follows:
> 
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201007/msg00000.html
>    (Stephen Green, 29 July 2010)
> 
>       Disposition: Great idea.  We are implementing it in the form
>       of Modeler's Guidelines and have assigned the task to GKH
>       and TM.  We now also have a model checker developed by GKH
>       that's being used to keep on top of compatibility issues;
>       presumably backward compatibility is maintained through
>       adherence to the rules, but now we have automated checking
>       to back that up.
> 
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00000.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00001.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00003.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00000.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00001.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00002.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00003.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00004.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00005.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00006.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00007.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00008.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00009.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00010.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00011.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00012.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00013.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00014.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200910/msg00015.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201002/msg00000.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201003/msg00000.html
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201003/msg00001.html
>    (Stephen Green, September 2009 to March 2010)
> 
>       Disposition: We note Stephen's comments on Test Assertion
>       Language and are glad to see people using other OASIS
>       Standards to verify our implementation.
> 
>       Regarding calculation models (comments of October 2009): We
>       note that there are various implementations using various
>       business rules; these would need to be harmonized.  The
>       question is, should the TC try to codify them?  Many rules
>       would be more applicable to a subset than the full
>       specification, so the TC would have to arbitrate. This is
>       like code lists in that it involves value constraints.  We
>       think that in general, it's up to customizations to
>       determine the calculation model. Some calculation rules
>       belong to the semantics -- they say how we mean something to
>       be used; but the place to specify semantics is in the
>       definitions.
> 
>          AGREED that we should approach semantics via the
>          definitions and let groups like the Test Assertion group
>          interpret our definitions in a formal syntax.
> 
>          AGREED that a key task for PRD2 is making these
>          definitions useful to people unfamiliar with UBL.
> 
>          AGREED that we need to move the Localization Subcommittee
>          translation work on the definitions over to eDoCreator as
>          the data entry tool.
> 
>          ACTION: JB to tell Asuman that we need to restrict access
>          to the translations.
> 
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200909/msg00002.html
>    (Sarunas Joncas, 16 September 2009)
> 
>       Disposition: Recursive references appear throughout the UBL
>       data model as a byproduct of the modeling process.  For
>       example, Consignments refer to Shipments, and Shipments
>       refer to Consignments.  The model is simply accommodating
>       recursive references in the real world.  This is not a
>       problem (though we keep getting questions about it).
> 
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200811/msg00000.html
>    (Daniel Toffetti, 7 November 2008)
> 
>       Disposition: We agree that the definitions contain many
>       characters (for example, ellipses) that are outside of the
>       ASCII set.  We will be cleaning these up following PRD1.
> 
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200805/msg00000.html
>    (Roberto Cisternino, 2 May 2008)
> 
>       Disposition: This has been fixed.
> 
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/200611/msg00000.html
>    (Marc de Graauw, 12 November 2006)
> 
>       Disposition: These comments are referred to the NDR Editors.
> 
> FIREFOX XML DISPLAY BUG
> 
>    The authoritative version of the UBL documentation uses the
>    DocBook XML format for technical publishing.  The DocBook file
>    (UBL-2.1.xml) and its associated stylesheets should be viewable
>    in any standards-compliant web browser, but in reality this is
>    currently known to work only with Internet Explorer.  It does
>    not work with Firefox due to a namespace-handling bug.  We have
>    learned (at second hand) that this bug has already been logged
>    but is currently lacking a suitable test case.  We think we can
>    help with that.
> 
>       ACTION: JB to follow up on this after PRD1 is out.
> 
> THANKS TO BALISAGE
> 
>    AGREED that the UBL Technical Committee thanks the organizers
>    of the Balisage conference for their generosity in providing
>    conference facilities for this meeting.
> 
> ==================================================================
> THURSDAY AFTERNOON DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MEETING IN LIMA
> ==================================================================
> 
> PARTICIPANTS: Kenneth Bengtsson (by phone), Jon Bosak (chair),
> G. Ken Holman, Andy Schoka.
> 
>    AGREED that KB will pursue the idea of a conference in Lima
>    (probably an eCommerce conference including UBL) and keep us
>    informed of progress; we will consider the idea of an
>    associated UBL TC meeting later depending on what comes out of
>    that.
> 
> 
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